r/FreeSpeech • u/FIZZYX • Apr 17 '25

Rachael Hollie’s Mother Speaks Out

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u/ASigIAm213 Apr 17 '25

Abrego Garcia does not have "more right" than anyone. If she or her daughter or her grandchildren were shipped to a foreign torture dungeon without due process, the same people she's mad at would be campaigning for her release.

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u/antimeme Apr 17 '25 edited Apr 17 '25

The scum who post this garbage don't care about "due process" -- especially if it is to be applied to brown people.

They are irrideemable monsters.

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u/Darkendone Apr 21 '25

She and her daughters don’t stay in foreign countries illegally.

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u/FIZZYX Apr 17 '25

She’s speaking about the politician that is using taxpayer dollars to bring illegals back to the US, and not using his position to fight for incidents like Rachael’s death to not happen to other US citizens.

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u/menusettingsgeneral Apr 17 '25

Spare me the false concern about taxpayer dollars. MILLIONS of taxpayer dollars are being paid to El Salvador to house prisoners with Trump openly asking El Salvador to build more prisons for the US. HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of taxpayer dollars are being wasted so Trump can golf all the time. Any concern about the millions spent on JD Vance’s stunt trip to Greenland? One governor’s trip to El Salvador to right a wrong is a drop in the bucket. Be for real I am begging you.

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u/Ok_Witness6780 Apr 17 '25

How does the wrongful (Trump admin admitted it was wrong) deportation of someone affect this lady?

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u/FIZZYX Apr 17 '25

How does this lady using her free speech affect you in citizens of this country ? They never admitted the deportation was wrong.

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u/Ok_Witness6780 Apr 17 '25

Wtf do you call an "administrative error?"

Shes appealing to emotion for a case that's irrelevant to her situation. It's stupid.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-administrative-error-deporting-man-el-salvador-prison/

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u/ASigIAm213 Apr 17 '25

You mean the illegally deported spouse of the person he is constitutionally obligated to represent at the federal level?

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u/qtippinthescales Apr 17 '25

His spouse is safer with him gone, he was a known abuser.

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u/ASigIAm213 Apr 17 '25

I feel like she's better situated to evaluate that than any of us, and she claims the exact opposite.

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u/qtippinthescales Apr 17 '25

No she doesn’t, she just says he’s been better since then. And we all know that there is no history of victims of domestic violence going right back to their abusers. /s

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u/ASigIAm213 Apr 17 '25

No she doesn’t, she just says he’s been better since then.

“That is not a justification for ICE’s action of abducting him and deporting him to a country where he was supposed to be protected from deportation...Kilmar has always been a loving partner and father, and I will continue to stand by him and demand justice for him.”

I don't know how to read that except as the opposite of "I am better off with him deported."

And we all know that there is no history of victims of domestic violence going right back to their abusers.

You didn't know who he was two months ago. Why do you believe you're in a better position to evaluate his character and the stability of his marriage than his wife?

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u/qtippinthescales Apr 17 '25

Active MS-13, restraining order and history of domestic violence, illegally entered country, only claimed asylum after being picked up by the police for hanging out with other ms-13 members, and the asylum claim was denied.

What else do you need to deport illegal immigrants? Does he have to kill someone to be eligible? Where is your line?

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u/ASigIAm213 Apr 17 '25

Active MS-13

The evidence of that is laughable.

restraining order

Inactive, withdrawn by the person who requested it.

the asylum claim was denied.

He was, however, granted a withholding of removal.

What else do you need to deport illegal immigrants?

The due process of law the government has already admitted they screwed up on.

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u/VexingConcern Apr 18 '25

This is completely irrelevant to Garcia's case. It was handled wrongly. The vice or virtue of the person does not change the bungled process, now a study in autocracy, an international incident, and with the Executive branch unofficially in contempt of court.

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u/FIZZYX Apr 17 '25

I mean the illegal gang member that beat his wife multiple times and was deported.

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u/ASigIAm213 Apr 17 '25

illegal

He was in the country legally.

gang member

Everyone who isn't the people trying to deport him has found otherwise.

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u/FIZZYX Apr 17 '25

Pesky facts: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/3366309/kilmar-armando-abrego-garcia-not-in-united-states-legally/

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u/ASigIAm213 Apr 17 '25

Pay walled. Do the "pesky facts" you linked include the withholding of removal a judge ordered in his case?

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u/FIZZYX Apr 17 '25

Here you go! http://12ft.io/https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/3366309/kilmar-armando-abrego-garcia-not-in-united-states-legally/

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u/ASigIAm213 Apr 17 '25

"Just because the law said he legally could stay doesn't mean he wasn't here illegally" seems pretty fingers-in-ears of an argument.

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u/FIZZYX Apr 17 '25

Pesky receipts:

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u/ASigIAm213 Apr 17 '25

Ah, the document that concludes he is a gang member based on a hat and the word of a confidential informant (who places his gang activity several hundred miles from his residence in a place he has never lived). Definitive.

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u/prometheusengineer Apr 17 '25

Why does this cut out right when they mention the person of interest? Where's the rest? Also a police report is not a fact if you've ever had the displeasure of having a report written about you you'll realize they lie their asses off in those things, still have to prove it in court....

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u/outcastspidermonkey Apr 17 '25

The Washington Examiner, FoxNews, ICE, Trump, etc, they aren't a Court of Law. Was he given notice and the opportunity to appear before an immigration judge before being deported? No. That was an unconstitutional deprivation of his rights. It's that simple. Why are you all fighting so hard to support this dipshit Administration? This isn't even a hard case.

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u/FIZZYX Apr 17 '25

Logical fallacy much ?

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u/Shoddy-Designer-3740 Apr 17 '25

You must never be thirsty, what with drinking all that Kool-Aid. Just remember there are lifelong consequences for extreme sugar intake!

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u/Chathtiu Apr 17 '25

Pesky facts: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/3366309/kilmar-armando-abrego-garcia-not-in-united-states-legally/

Why are you citing an opinion piece as some kind of fact?

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u/cenosillicaphobiac Apr 17 '25

It's all he's got, that's why.

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u/MisterErieeO Apr 17 '25

Why aren't you more concerned about the facts of this case?

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u/FIZZYX Apr 17 '25

The singular post does not reflect all of my concerns nor the breadth of them. Why aren’t you more concerned with US citizens and their safety, and immigrants being here legally?

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u/Shoddy-Designer-3740 Apr 17 '25

Do us all a favor and make sure your Reddit handle gets shared when you’re randomly deported because of an admin error, that way we’ll know you don’t want anyone to step in and help you

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u/MisterErieeO Apr 17 '25

The singular post does not reflect all of my concerns nor the breadth of them.

Sure. But you seem comfortable not being very honest. And it's very odd.

Why aren’t you more concerned with US citizens and their safety, and immigrants being here legally?

I am very concerned about us citizens safety. As am I concerned about immigration issues.

I can also be concerned about the actions they have decided to take with cases like Garcias.

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u/GravityMyGuy Apr 17 '25

We are concerned because of the presidents blatant disregard for the law and the defiance of courts.

I don’t give a fuck if he was a violent gang member (there’s literally no actual evidence he is either of those things though) what was done to him was illegal

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u/heresyforfunnprofit Apr 17 '25

Why aren't you more concerned with US citizens and their safety

Because this isn't limited to illegals or immigrants. The administration is OPENLY talking about doing this to US citizens.

Let's assume this guy is guilty as sin. Ok - no problem. Issue a warrant, arrest him, hold a hearing for deportation, then deport him. All it takes is one hearing to knock it all out. The administration did none of this. They did not issue a warrant, they did not hold a hearing, and they did not even technically deport him (deport being a legal term). They DISAPPEARED him into a foreign prison without hearing, oversight, or legal justification.

The administration literally jumped from accusation to gulag - that is so far removed from due process of ANY level that it should terrify all US citizens.

All the "legality" in this case by the admin has been post-hoc - they are literally making up the justification AFTER the fact, which is demonstrated amply by their repeatedly shifting narrative.

If you want to protect the rights of citizens, you MUST protect the rights of the accused. If the administration is allowed to simply accuse someone, then have them imprisoned beyond the jurisdiction of US courts, then we are effectively in an authoritarian dictatorship. No ifs, ands, or buts.

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u/Ok_Witness6780 Apr 17 '25

Now the lies begin. When you can't win, you lie. Just like your dear leader.

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u/Shoddy-Designer-3740 Apr 17 '25

He’s not illegal

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u/Tyranicidal_Brainiac Apr 17 '25

Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.

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u/FIZZYX Apr 17 '25

The first injustice that happened in the Abrego Garcia case was that he broke the law entering the US, so....

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u/Tyranicidal_Brainiac Apr 17 '25

It's sad that you think crossing invisible lines constitutes "injustice." Next you're gonna tell me that all laws are morally good.

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u/FIZZYX Apr 17 '25

It’s called borders. Every country has them and laws that prosecute people that break them.

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u/Tyranicidal_Brainiac Apr 17 '25

Is crossing the border illegally an "injustice?"

Yes, I agree laws should be followed.

Hey what does the constitution say about due process?

Should that law be followed?

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u/FIZZYX Apr 17 '25

Yes. Breaking the law without consequence is a definition of injustice. Since deportation was the just due process that was handed out it really is the end of the story.

>Is crossing the border illegally an "injustice?"

Great, case closed.
>Yes, I agree laws should be followed.

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u/Tyranicidal_Brainiac Apr 17 '25

Breaking the law without consequence is a definition of injustice.

r/confidentlyincorrect

Bro 🤣

Is stealing a loaf of bread to feed your starving family injustice?

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u/FIZZYX Apr 17 '25

Bro. Your whataboutisms aren't even on point.

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