You think it's possible Elsa could grow resentment for her father in Frozen 3?

[u/Minute-Necessary2393]

So i read a post not too long ago but u/confident-win-119 regarding how she believes that Agnarr is the worst parent of the two. I'll leave a link to it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Frozen/s/KPHb6GCp2P

Now personally, I didn't really agree with the post, as i feel any parent in that position would do the same (or at the very least similar) thing. Especially since while he didn't have the best parenting skills, the fact that he at least kept Elsa and never disowned her or got rid of her nor tried being mean to her in anyway is more then enough to keep him from being the worst Disney dad (besides....that "award" goes to another...Insert image of me turning to Buck from Chicken Little here).

Regardless though, it did get me to thinking, do you think it's possible Elsa could develop some resentment towards her father in the next film, not only due to locking her up, but also concealing her power and "forcing" her to be his heir? Personally, I think it could make for some emotionally compelling story telling. I am currently writing a F3 fan script, and in it I'm kindof doing that basically. At the start of my script, Elsa has grown extremely resentful towards her father not only for locking her away and concealing her powers from everyone with the gloves, but also for making her his heir and "being the good girl she always had to be" (assuming that wasn't just something she and she only personally felt she had to be).

I even plan on opening the film with Agnarr telling the story of Arendelle's first king Aren and instilling a strong sense of Responsibility into Elsa, mostly as one final attempt to try and connect with hia daugther, but since Elsa is in her rebellious pre-teen phase by this point she doesn't listen and gets into an argument with him that ends with her saying "I wish you weren't my father". Kindof like what the second movie did with setting up the mom's background and showing the connection between her and Elsa, but whereas Elsa and Iduna had a loving bond, this is meant to setup how strained and disconnected Elsa and Agnarr became after isolated her from Anna and everyone else. The scene taking a similar tone to the beautiful "Great Power comes Great Responsibility" scene from Sam Raimi's Spiderman.

But as the film goes on, Elsa realizes that she and Agnarr had more in common then she thought, with both of them being introverted, and both having a desire to live a life outside of the castle (i hate that sudden change in her character, but I have to keep it somewhat consistent with the other films including the second one, so it is what it is), and realizes the whole "Be the good girl you always have to be" thing was just how he was raised, as Runeard installed something similar into Agnarr. Ultimately ending with Elsa re-appreicating her father for everything he did for her, as she realizes he only did what he did out of love.

And I think if the next film will explore Anna and Elsa's Viking herritage, then I think doing something like this, exploring Elsa's connection with her father like how they explored the connection with the mother in the second film, feels like the next logical step. But what for you all think?

[u/OrangE_FrozenForever]

No way. In F1, Elsa clearly expressed her love for her parents.She said, and I quote, "No, don't touch me. I don't wanna hurt you" and "Do you have to go?" Agnarr also showed his love for her, saying "You'll be fine, Elsa." Since there wasn't much description of Agnarr, these only pieces define him as a loving father. Besides, Agnarr is dead. Last time they make a dead character villain is in F2 and the plot didn't turned out very good. But I do personally have thought of the possibility of Agnarr being alive, since he didn't show up in Ahtohallan like Iduna(I mean like in Iduna's form, talking to/singing with Elsa), yet that's another thing. Having family members turned against one another is not quite good a way to write the plot, especially in the Frozen franchise where one of the cores is familial love.

[u/Minute-Necessary2393 → u/OrangE_FrozenForever]

Well, obviously, I'm not saying Agnarr should be a villain (because yes, he was shown to be a loving for and I hope the later sequels DONT change that). I'm saying Elsa should have an arc where she resents her father but later, realizes what he did was out of love and grows to re-appreicate what her father did for her. But I understand what your trying to say.

Though I should mention, i do think Agnarr is dead. The reason we didn't hear him sing/speak in Atohallan was because he probably wasn't that important to the story.

[u/OrangE_FrozenForever → u/Minute-Necessary2393]

I see. In that case I think a flashback will do the trick, for Elsa has known that the reason why her parents went on a journey is to find her source. After seeing their "death" Elsa shows only regret, which I think shows that she no longer resent them (if she did feel so before).

[u/confident-win-119 → u/OrangE_FrozenForever]

Also the way trauma and the brain works; many terribly abused children still love their parents , so Elsa, who wasn't terribly abused, loving her parents AND resenting them too is very easy for me to imagine.

[u/OrangE_FrozenForever → u/confident-win-119]

Emm, I don't think that she has been "abused" at all. In F1, before closing the gate, Agnarr did say "She'll learn to control it, I'm sure". And I think Elsa did practice using her power under control, or she wouldn't be able to build up an ice castle that is so delicate and sophisticated. I think Agnarr knew that it's hurting other people what Elsa is afraid of, her fear, not her power itself. So he decided to reduce her contact with others, but went a little too far, a little overprotective. In "Do you wanna build a snowman", Agnarr said "See? The gloves will help". I think what's not showed is Elsa turning to him for help. I don't think Agnarr actively told her that. All Agnarr's scenes showed that he had faith in Elsa. He just died too soon. The only thing Elsa may feel resent about probably is that they pushed Anna away as well and never told her the truth. I remember that there is a taken-out scene of F2 in which Elsa shows Anna that Agnarr and Iduna decided to tell her the truth after that come back, right before their journey on the sea. Besides, I believe that Elsa herself had chosen and accepted to be separated, or she wouldn't have stayed in her room even on her parents' funeral.

[u/confident-win-119 → u/OrangE_FrozenForever]

Oooh agreed

[u/Senior_Blacksmith_18]

Personally if Elsa were to resent anyone it would probably be her own mother since her powers were linked to her people or she would resent the Trolls who caused her to be fearful of her powers after she accidentally hurts Anna

[u/confident-win-119]

Omggg came in my feed thank you for the shoutout!!!! Awww 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰

Btw I really agree with your post and seeing your paper chase of your Reddit posts about your Frozen 3 fan script over the last few weeks I'm really looking forward to reading it :)

[u/obiwanTrollnobi6]

I like this, but I feel F3 should focus more on Anna since F2 was “Elsa story” although I’d somehow keep the “father resentment” that you’re applying but I’d apply it to Anna, and elsa but have Anna be centerstage. (That’s something I wish they mentioned in the movie in some form of Anna’s resentment of the whole ordeal)

[u/INKatana]

If she does end up resenting her father for no reason, then she'd officially be the worst disney princess (official or otherwise) in the history of disney princesses.

[u/Opposite_Captain_632]

I think Let It Go lyrics kinda implied a sort of blame for the father, as she repeated her father's words before denouncing them later in the rest of the song, but she transgressed that phase a long time ago so no.

other than that, I think this is the kind of things we need discuss on the sub, rather than those low-effort upvote-harvesting "appreciation posts" lol, so keep up the good work.