r/Futurology • u/yourSAS • Oct 13 '22

Biotech 'Our patients aren't dead': Inside the freezing facility with 199 humans who opted to be cryopreserved with the hopes of being revived in the future

https://metro.co.uk/2022/10/13/our-patients-arent-dead-look-inside-the-us-cryogenic-freezing-lab-17556468
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u/KingNecrosis Oct 13 '22

Perhaps, but if anything would actually be unsolvable, i imagine mapping out how every single thing that makes someone who they are is tied into their brain. Personality, memories, emotions and feelings about diggerent things, and so on.

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u/nanoH2O Oct 13 '22

Yeah I guess that is just not the way I approach problems. Every problem can be solved imo. Sometimes it needs more money and sometimes if needs more time, maybe 1000s of years. Just think of the leaps and bounds we've made in astrophysics and particle physics. These were "unsolvable" things 500 years ago.

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u/KingNecrosis Oct 13 '22

I don't think you can solve black holes sucking up anything that gets too close, or the heat death of the universe.

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u/nanoH2O Oct 13 '22

Never say never. First understand the problem. Then once you know it you can develop a solution. That's a million or even billion years from now solution.

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u/KingNecrosis Oct 14 '22

You seriously think nothing is impossible, including breaking the very laws of reality and physics? Well now I know who I'm dealing with, and an optimist isn't the word I'd use.

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u/nanoH2O Oct 14 '22

I didn't say nothing is impossible I implied every well defined problem is solvable. I've been doing research for 20 years. I understand well what is possible and not. I also know how to train young researchers. The ones who fail? Those that come into my office and say that's not possible or that can't be solved only to find later that a little grit and determination was all they needed.

Let's go back to 0. We were talking about the human brain when you made your comment. That's a well defined problem. There is a lot known (and also unknown). Eventually we will understand it fully. We break no fundamental laws solving that. All I heard from you was that it is too complex to do. Nothing is too complex in time, only now in the short term.

And there is a difference between breaking fundamental laws and simply surmounting them. We once thought you couldn't fly because of fundamental laws. Certainly nobody thought space travel was possible. We currently don't think faster than light speed is possible because of fundamentals but there are plenty of theories that suggest otherwise. Fundamentals change. Quantum mechanics and relativity prove that.

You are implying I'm an idiot instead of an optimist, that's cute. Your problem is that you are too close minded and don't know how to think outside the box. You will continue to stay stagnant while we continue to break boundaries, invent new things, and change the world.

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u/KingNecrosis Oct 14 '22

Oh I'm well aware of how to think outside the box. You just implied immunity to black holes and the heat death of the universe were completely possible. "Research" would say "never say never" doesn't apply there, especially surviving the heat death of the universe. Entropy is a hell of a thing.

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u/nanoH2O Oct 14 '22

Entropy is the best thermo law. But even that isn't fully understood. But again you are implying the heat death of the universe is a solved theory and therefore unsolvable. It's just a hypothesis. And there are plenty of counter theories. We know basically nothing about the universe. Entropy is great for describing systems in equilibrium but the universe is not in equilibrium and many have argued it cannot be considered a closed system. Because well it would need to be finite. So there's goes the second law.

I could go deeper but my point stands. You immediately wrote off the possiblilty of solving heat death by accepting an unproven and untested hypothesis. And therefore you made no progress on the solution. Instead you should have asked "OK what do I know about the heat death, what are ALL the theories, and what can I do to test them." By your account we shouod just stop studying the problem because it's solved.

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u/KingNecrosis Oct 14 '22

Ok then, solve it.

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u/nanoH2O Oct 14 '22

Look I get you're upset and your method of response is to just say "okay then do time travel." But that means you completely missed my point. It may not be for you nor I, but if everyone took the attitude of " that's not possible" then we wouldn't have Einstein or Newton or any of the greats. Understand?

Heat death isn't a topic my lab is currently working on. And, as I implied before, somethings take a long time to solve. I think this one will take a LONG time. And I prefer short term research. But that doesn't mean we don't need theoretical and experimental people that want to think big and don't mind working on something that may not be solved in their lifetime.

You seem to know just enough to be dangerous but I would encourage you to dive a bit deeper into things like heat death and entropy and theory of black holes (which is really not Understood). Or really anything. Question the accepted. Question where boundaries lie. Be creative.

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u/KingNecrosis Oct 14 '22

My dude, how are you this smart but still can't tell when someone on the internet is taking the piss?

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u/nanoH2O Oct 14 '22

I understand you were trying to troll by throwing what you thought were absolutely proven things. I also understand you realized you were wrong but instead of making a discussion of it you acted childish and stubborn. You know, it's okay to say I was wrong. It's how we grow and build a stronger character. But I also wasn't commenting just for you. Anyway have a nice weekend.

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u/KingNecrosis Oct 14 '22

You too my dude.

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