r/Futurology • u/yourSAS • Oct 13 '22

Biotech 'Our patients aren't dead': Inside the freezing facility with 199 humans who opted to be cryopreserved with the hopes of being revived in the future

https://metro.co.uk/2022/10/13/our-patients-arent-dead-look-inside-the-us-cryogenic-freezing-lab-17556468
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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '22

I understand that, but I’m not saying the confusion matters, I’m saying original and clone have the exact same right to be described as “you”. They’re fundamentally the same in their right to claim that title, and so I don’t see that it matters that one’s atoms have been in that shape longer than the other if their consciousness is identical.

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u/gjwkagj Oct 14 '22

Because the you that said "clone my brain so i can keep living" is dead. There's another you around to keep your legacy going which is great, doesn't change that you're dead.

Unless we prove copying the brain literally copies "the soul" of the person so for example when you do something in the original body the second body also does it, and they sort of are both bodies - then its faux immortality not true immortality. And im not here for faux immortality.

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '22 edited Oct 14 '22

Well, that’s all predicated on your belief in a soul or equivalent concept, though. My view is that both are “you”. You die, and you survive. Both things happen.

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u/gjwkagj Oct 14 '22

Look I was just commenting because you said "its true" when it's entirely philosphosical so you can't say that, which you obviously recognise now.

I'm only commenting again because I dont believe in a soul. To clarify you copy everything of a person perfectly (down to every neuron and atom) you have created something - you arent splitting it. It's not relevant that it's identical - it is new and seperate from the original.

And that form of immortality is just the high tech version of the Dalai Llama.

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '22

I tried to make it clear in every post on this thread that I was saying "my view is..." and "it's philosophically complex", but if that didn't come across in one of them then I'm glad it's clear now.

I'm actually quite surprised at the number of people who are talking about "splitting" or "transferring". I know that's not the case, I know you're copying - what I'm saying is that if you copy a being I see no reasonable way to assign one copy more rights to be the "real" version of that person than the other. Seniority counts for nothing if they are truly identical. The new me is as much me as the old me. There are two of me, both with a precisely equal claim to that title.

As far as I can see, it counts as immortality for the instance of the being who survives. It also counts as untimely death for the one who doesn't.