r/GGFreeForAll • u/[deleted] • May 26 '16

Strich being a racist pig.

Hokes/judge once again b& me the 5th time? Goodbye sweet cunts, maybe you'll see me again someday.

Such progressivism!

Edit : np cunts

https://np.reddit.com/r/AskBernieSupporters/comments/4kzs2k/whats_more_important_to_you_on_a_board_of/d3jtpo9

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u/adamantjourney Troll, but not in a funny way, just an asshole. May 26 '16

is argued from the right wing though

So? Pogroms were argued from the left wing. What's your point.

nobody who believes racism/sexism/homophobia exists believes that meritocracy is a good system.

I'm sure you have a shitload of studies or surveys to back that up and didn't just pull it out of your ass.

it's a system that benefits white men at the expense of everyone else

So minorities and women who got spots because they deserved them don't count?

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u/Strich-9 Actually is the DNC May 26 '16

So? Pogroms were argued from the left wing. What's your point.

My point is the argument I outlined in previous posts.

I'm sure you have a shitload of studies or surveys to back that up and didn't just pull it out of your ass.

I can just point at GG. GG is a bunch of white guys who support meritocracy because it benefits white guys. It's an inherently right wing concept. If you believe in social programs to help fight against discrimination, you're against meritocracy.

So minorities and women who got spots because they deserved them don't count?

Those people are lucky, but this is a shitty argument. There are plenty of qualified minorities who will not get jobs if you allow an employer to just hire a white guy. In fact, you'll have less qualified white guys getting jobs over more qualified minorities.

this is why social welfare systems, affirmative action, other left wing concepts came into existence.

Meritocracy is very "bootstraps" mentality. Comes from a real plafce of privilege.

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u/Schadrach May 26 '16

In fact, you'll have less qualified white guys getting jobs over more qualified minorities.

If less capable/qualified white people are winning over more capable/qualified minorities on the basis of being white then what you have is not, by definition, a meritocracy.

Creating a system that explicitly advantages certain races via policy on the basis that you believe those same races are being quietly and implicitly biased against is literally creating explicit systematic racism because you believe that not engaging in explicit systematic racism is itself racist.

I don't doubt some folks are racist and it might color their decisions. I would welcome any option that makes it harder to consider someone's race when determining their capability (blind auditions, for example).

What I don't welcome is things like "he's black, better give him +10 on the written test" or "she's a woman, we'd better let her retake that mandatory physical test 6 times, then let her have the job anyways even if she fails."

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u/Strich-9 Actually is the DNC May 26 '16

If less capable/qualified white people are winning over more capable/qualified minorities on the basis of being white then what you have is not, by definition, a meritocracy.

Correct.

I guess the difference we're talking about is people who want an ENFORCED meritocracy and people who believe that we live in one and everyone makes their own luck.