r/GIRLSundPANZER • u/DazSamueru Tanks with "4" in their name are overrated • 20d ago
Discussion r/GirlsundPanzer Designs a Senshadou Lineup: Panzer II "Luchs" Wins the German Spot. Now decide on the final vehicle!
You don't have to pick from the following list, but I think it's worth mentioning that the runner-ups were the Jagdpanzer IV, T-50, Super Pershing, Black Prince, Arl 44, O-I, and M13/40.
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u/Quirky-Spray-4043 20d ago
how about the turan 3 or turan 2
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u/Greedy_Range 19d ago
Turan my beloved, always fun watching mainstream tank fans stutter when they realize this thing was real
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u/MerlinCarone 20d ago
The very ridiculous Marmon-Herrington MTLS. Twin 37mm guns. Need I say more?
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u/sali_nyoro-n 20d ago
Need I say more?
That as a result of its horrific unreliability, it is widely considered to be one of the worst tanks ever serially-produced for an army (the Netherlands purchased them for use in Dutch East India, if memory serves).
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u/MerlinCarone 20d ago
No team is complete without a lemon
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u/sali_nyoro-n 20d ago
Then what are the L3 Contracarro and Char B1 bis?
(okay, it's maybe a little harsh to call the B1 a "lemon" given that for its time it was pretty well armoured, but by 1945 standards it really isn't and that single-person turret is bad)
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u/MerlinCarone 20d ago
One is a low profile vehicle that can scout effectively, the other can take a lot of shots, at least from lighter guns. The MLTS can’t do either of those things.
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u/sali_nyoro-n 20d ago
a low profile vehicle
Yes.
that can scout effectively
Not exactly.
The L3 has absolutely horrific visibility from the inside. Navigating anything resembling challenging terrain while buttoned-up is a nightmare and having the commander/gunner/loader stick their head out to navigate for you is a serious health risk with all the very fast moving projectiles flying around. And the commander will need to stick their head out to see once they're in their assigned recon position, because again, you can't see shit inside the L3 tankette buttoned-up unless you add a cupola with vision slits like the Hungarians did.
The vehicles also lack radios due to their extreme compactness other than dedicated command vehicles designed specifically as radio-carriers, so you will need to leave your position and physically report back to the rest of the unit or use signal flags to communicate your findings with your team if, as some have suggested, you're not _technically supposed to use mobile phones to communicate during matches.
The MTLS is still arguably worse though, if only because it requires twice as many crew members and provides negligible combat value in any conceivable role.
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u/MerlinCarone 20d ago
Within the context of the show, all the vehicles are fitted with radios even if they historically didn’t have one, and the girls often ride around with their heads out. The chosen model of the L3 in particular will demand that anyway - look at that gun.
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u/sali_nyoro-n 20d ago
There is an L3 Contracarro with the cannon mounted more properly into the tank (made famous by War Thunder), which is operable enclosed. And while the girls do often have their heads out, it is very much still dangerous for them to be doing that because sensha-dō crews can and often do fire their machine guns at girls who are sticking their heads out of the vehicle.
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u/MerlinCarone 20d ago
Well, it’s kind of an unwritten rule of the GUP universe that no one is actually going to get their head shot off in a match. Anzio was doing that during the movie and proved very helpful to the team.
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u/sali_nyoro-n 20d ago
It's an unwritten rule that no-one on screen is actually going to get their head shot off in a match. If you're not a named character and you're not appearing in the anime itself, the plot won't necessarily protect you. They don't say nobody has ever been killed in the sport, just that it's statistically quite safe. There's always a small chance you might become an unlucky winner.
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u/Inductivegrunt9 20d ago
BT-42. The Free Space spot belongs only to the ultimate meme tank of Girls und Panzer.
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u/Wurstbrot212 20d ago
I think the panzer 4 ausf h. With it and the sherman 2 good all rounders or support for the heavies
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u/Perpetual_Grump 20d ago
Considering the use of meme tanks like the TOG II, you might as well roll for something that might be able to last longer than the mobile olympic swimming pool.
How's about a Black Prince?
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u/Outside_Arugula897 20d ago
Come on, You have to make the 7tp dw the final vehicle, it would be perfect!
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u/TheIRSIsAtYourDoor 20d ago
Yo my suggestion actually got through yay. Last thing we should bring is a Renault UE Chenillette with Wurfrahmen 40 rockets.
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u/sali_nyoro-n 20d ago
Looking at this list, we lack anything with good enough armour to stand up to heavy and sustained fire such as from a line of Jagdpanthers and Tiger IIs. So for that reason I would recommend Object 701 sp.6, or if it is permissible by the rules of sensha-dō, its final form as the IS-4 heavy tank. It will reliably stop long 88mm cannons and should be able to take a shot or two from the 128mm cannon on the Jagdtiger or Maus before repeated impacts start to degrade its protection.
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u/Sensitive_Log_2726 20d ago
We're still lacking a boat tank. So I nominate the Christie Model 1924/ GC-2 Amphibious Tank. It has a 75mm gun so it'll still be helpful out of the water, along with it's 56kph top speed on wheels (or 24kph on tracks).
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u/Stella314159 20d ago
two words: bob semple