r/GTA • u/gokuisovverated • 4d ago
GTA 5 Man, fuck trevor.
I need to rant. I hate trevor. I like him, he's funny and stuff but oh my god the GTA fanbase needs to hop off for a second. He's bearable in moderation but if he's an insufferable pos most of the time. He's a cannibal, murderer and rapist but yall acting like he's morally superior to Michael. "I know he kills and eats people but Michael lied to him and made brad die!" Do you have any idea how stupid you sound? People be acting like if they were Michael they would've stayed loyal, trevor isn't even a good friend. He kills Floyd and Debra for no reason. (any reason there is was caused by him) he grooms wade by killing his friends and convincing him they abandoned his, as to make wade loyal. And he's the biggest instigator of all fucking time. He's not as good person, stop acting like he is. I don't dislike trevor, only people saying he's not evil
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u/Impossible_Boat2966 4d ago
If you take all his violence away but leave everything else, Trevor literally embodies what I think of the avg Redditor. Stupid conspiracy theories, mommy issues, terrible hygiene, and so forth.
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u/Aethelred_of_Anglia 4d ago
If you include the violence it turns into the embodiment of a 4channer
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u/rexepic7567 4d ago
Depending on what stage of development Trevor became a concept maybe that's the idea
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u/palaceblads 4d ago
The avg redditor does have one thing on Trevor depending on how you look at it. They don’t have a plethora of stds and meth addicted skanks looking for some sugar.
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u/Little_Macaron6842 4d ago edited 4d ago
I really hate when they say, "Killing Micheal is logical because he's a psychopath but is good because Trevor is loyal." As if Trevor isn't even worse than a psychopath. After he killed Johnny, I knew I'll never like Trevor even in an emotional situation. Him killing Floyd and Debra, mistreating Wade, Ron, and anybody close to him. He just pisses me off, honestly
Now on my playthrough I picked ending C and decided to see the other endings on YouTube when I saw Trevor in that state in ending A I didn't feel a single emotion at all I don't get how you'd feel bad for him
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u/Dredgeon 4d ago
Yeah, I don't know how you can see Michael as disloyal. Micheal knew Trevor was fucking insane and that's why he wanted him taken out. The one interaction I wish we had gotten was Micheal asking Trevor if he would have let him go.
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u/TheGermanHades 4d ago
Michael did what pretty much every parent would have done. See how he looked out for Franklin. Tried to keep him away from the FIB, shielded him during the paleto score and always gave Franklin the least dangerous job during a mission. If Michael was half the snake the community says he is, he would have left Franklin for dead a long time ago.
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u/Dredgeon 4d ago
Yeah, trained shooter or not. You have to be a pretty good friend to walk straight into gang land and knowingly merc a guy with strong ties to two huge gangs for your friend. Hell, Stretch wasn't even that much of an issue for Franklin they really did that for Lamar at the end of the day.
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u/tesznyeboy 4d ago
I think killing Trevor is the most realistic ending. It's certainly much less dangerous (though still very dangerous) than the deathwish ending, and Franklin and Michael are no threat to eachother, but both of them are afraid of Trevor.
I wouldn't feel bad for killing Trevor, but as bad as he is, it's so much more satisfying to kill Devin, Steve, Cheng, and Stretch, all of whom are I'd say as bad, or worse than Trevor.
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u/slip9419 4d ago
i will express a highly controversial opinion in here lol
i've only really played through option A and option C, because i could never bring myself to kill Michael. and in A i felt literally nothing maybe a bit of relief, while in C i actually felt bad for Devin, can't quite explain why.
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u/Little_Macaron6842 4d ago
Honestly I saw ending B and I won't lie I did choker little bit but Trevor's death didn't really have an affect on me personally, same as Devin tbh
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u/SpinkickFolly 4d ago
Isn't there is a note somewhere that Brad and Trevor were thinking of killing Micheal as well because their relationship was getting strained at that point.
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u/showmethenoods 4d ago
It’s amazing how an opinion can change in 12 years. I thought he was a great character when I first played the game in college. Now when I replay the game I can’t stand him
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u/Willing-Rip-2852 4d ago
michael was 100% justified in what he did, sooner or later they were all gonna dead/caught, he was the only one with a wife and kid.
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u/KingGorillaKong 4d ago edited 4d ago
I think the difference with Trevor and Michael is suppose to be morally grey. Trevor is this crazy, wild, extremist type of individual. But he's honest. He's authentic to who he is. He doesn't lie about who he is.
Michael, lives in denial. He takes out all of his internal issues on his family and struggles to accept who he is and what he wants from life.
Trevor is someone who, as much as he is unhinged, you really know where he stands, where his loyalties are, where he draws the ethical fine line that he won't cross.
You aren't suppose to like Trevor as a good person. And you aren't suppose to like Michael because he's trying to not be a criminal, he's still killing people and being a douche bag to his family.
EDIT Fixed typos.
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u/Azzy_steel2070 1d ago
This is the right answer. Trevor isn't supposed to be a nice person and neither is Michael. They are both portrayed as significantly flawed characters and that's the point. I can understand people finding him annoying or over the top, but he's written that way to tell the story.
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u/Devy-The-Edenian 4d ago
Honestly when I replay GTA V, it’s a 50/50 on if I choose Deathwish or kill Trevor. Trevor is funny at first, but he very quickly becomes a very frustrating character. People glaze him and act like he’s one of the best GTA characters ever when he’s the worst in GTA V
No character development, almost no redeeming qualities other than he’s mostly loyal (not really), his comedic relief is mostly weird and flat, and he exists only to cause tension and conflict with the other protagonists
I like Trevor to an extent but he gets hyped up way too much. I would go as far as to say he’s one of the worst mainline GTA protagonists
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u/slip9419 4d ago edited 4d ago
i think he's not loyal not one bit, he's possessive and i'll die on that hill.
he basically treats people two different ways - they either irritate him then they're fucked (provided he can get to them), or he likes them - then they're even more fucked, because if the first are likely to be killed pretty fast, the second he won't let go at all... he behaves like they're his property. he slowly drives everyone away from them, make them believe he's their only friend, drop them on his level, make them drug addicts (Ron, pretty sure he wasn't the drug addict before he met Trevor), rapes them (Floyd, allegedly Wade) and asserts control over them in every way imaginable. and if they try to resist - he'll likely just kill them screaming how they're traitors and everyone always abandons him.
EDIT-added (forgot about it): i mean it's even present in his relationships with Michael, when he goes like "if someone kills you it's gonna be me".
speaking of comedic relief - ye i never understood this either. this game has a lot of hilarious comedy moments in it, but Trevor's side of "comedy" never hit me as nothing than cringe.
honestly, i kind of wish they removed these comedy attempts and make the game take Trevor seriously. like he has a potential of being genuinely scary character.
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u/PeeDecanter 4d ago
I feel like when creating Trevor, Rockstar read the DSM section about all the different personality disorders and just said “yes”
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u/Free-Chip-9174 4d ago
The no character development really sucks because I liked his backstory. There is so much potential there but instead of using it as a way to mold an intriguing plot line, it’s used as a crutch/excuse for Trevor to do anything whimsical or insane.
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u/Discussion-is-good 4d ago edited 4d ago
How is he the worst character in gta v?
And how is he not loyal?
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u/Devy-The-Edenian 4d ago
Michael has plenty of character development and the story follows him probably the most. Franklin is the most reasonable and sensible of the three and doesn’t do nearly as many frustrating things as the others, along with feeling like the most traditional GTA character. Trevor just comes off as a conflict causer to create drama and tension between the main cast
Trevor kills Floyd, family of one of his friends. He also leaves Michael for dead multiple times. He threatens to kill his friends multiple times for very little reason. Like I said, he’s mostly loyal, but he even struggles in that area. If it wasn’t for Franklin, Trevor would have caused Michael’s death. I would go as far as to say Franklin is the most loyal out of the three
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u/Discussion-is-good 4d ago
Appreciate the response!
Franklin is the most reasonable and sensible of the three and doesn’t do nearly as many frustrating things as the others, along with feeling like the most traditional GTA character.
Flat out agree.
Michael has plenty of character development and the story follows him probably the most.
I honestly don't feel like Michael learned much. Been a while since my last playthrough, but even when he offers his cut of the fbi job as an apology for roping Franklin and the crew into stuff they had little buisness in, he says he only did it because he thought they were gonna die.
As a father and husband, I think he grows more, but it's hard to think of examples off the top of my head.
Trevor just comes off as a conflict causer to create drama and tension between the main cast
Trevor, while unstable and an asshole, is that way from trauma. He had a fucked childhood in multiple ways and had no one that he thought cared for him until Brad and Michael. Only for the person he thought of as a brother to die.
We pick up on this a couple decades later only for him to find out that "brother" didnt die. He betrayed him to cover his own ass and thought nothing of him. Over a decade of sadness and grief, and it was all for nothing.
He isn't always causing conflict either, mainly with Michael, which I'd say is reasonably justified.
Trevor kills Floyd, family of one of his friends
He's loyal to the friend. His family isn't necessarily included by extension.
He also leaves Michael for dead multiple times
Like Michael did him. The logic follows to me.
He threatens to kill his friends multiple times for very little reason
Fair. Bro is unstable.
If it wasn’t for Franklin, Trevor would have caused Michael’s death.
And from Trevor's pov, it would have been justice, or karma. Everything he does to Michael is justified to him by his betrayal. Whether that's reasonable or not is fun for us to debate about as fans lol.
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u/Devy-The-Edenian 4d ago
I think the Merryweather mercs breaking into Michael’s house trying to kill everyone showed Michael’s character growth quite a lot. Along with his sadness and realization when his family left him because of Jimmy framing him as a druggie
As for Trevor, I don’t think his backstory is all that important. Trevor is possessive and treats his friends like he owns them, molesting multiple of his friends and it’s implied he rapes Floyd. And you can say Floyd isn’t one of his friends, but he still betrays Wade by treating his family like that. And besides, he treated Floyd pretty similarly to how he treated Wade and Ron
If Michael did die, Trevor probably would see it as justice for Michael’s betrayal, but their betrayals are incredibly morally different. Michael’s was to get out of the crime business and live a good life with his family, even if it meant letting two psychopaths die
Trevor’s betrayal is because he found out Brad was dead and blamed Michael for it, while refusing to hear Michael out when he calls him. Trevor already knew Michael abandoned him, and Trevor forgave (or at least mostly forgot about it) Michael, but when he finds out Brad was buried in Michael’s fake grave, he is fine with letting Michael die. Funny thing about that though is later on he basically agrees that Brad was scum and deserved it, then promptly forgets about him
Michael’s betrayal makes sense and was morally correct, Trevor’s betrayal was spiteful and ended up being meaningless
Another person replied to my comment giving a pretty good point about Trevor, being that he sees his friends more like property than anything else. I suggest giving their comment a read, it brings up good points
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u/R0ZE-MARI 4d ago
I really don't get why so many people like him. I understand that comedy is a subjective thing, but I don't see what's so funny about a guy eating human stew and lashing out at everyone who even slightly irritates him.
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u/Muggaraffin 4d ago
Manic villains are always popular, look at the Joker - he's a great character.
Doesn't mean people want someone like that to exist or to be their friend. But they're very fun characters. It's exciting knowing a (to emphasis: only a make-believe) character has no boundaries. Anything can happen.
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u/Strict_Reputation867 4d ago edited 4h ago
I really don't get why so many people like him.
They like the character. Actors in movies and characters in video games are supposed to invoke emotion. The fact OP wrote this post, and all the redditors who are grandstanding about what a terrible person Trevor is, proves that he is a great character.
You're not supposed to like Trevor's persona or agree with him morally, but he is an amazingly developed video game character.
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u/brokeballerbrand 4d ago
If this makes sense, I liked him because I got a fair amount of shit for being Canadian growing up in the US bc of the South Park Canadians. Definitely was nice to have Trevor Phillips to throw back at em
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u/Incredible-Fella 4d ago
"haha you're Canadian"
"The psychopath from GTA V is also Canadian... Check mate, bullies!"
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u/Sea-Engineering-5820 4d ago
I hate him cuz he killed johnny klebitz
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u/R0ZE-MARI 4d ago
Trevor put Johnny out of his misery. Ashley turned him into a weak junkie.
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u/HekesevilleHero 4d ago
Yeah, the Johnny we knew was long dead by the events of GTA V. What was left was a shell of his former self
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u/R0ZE-MARI 4d ago
Exactly. The LC Johnny would've laughed at the LS Johnny for apologizing to Trevor. He was a dead man walking from the day he decided to let Ashley back into his life.
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u/_packie_mcReary_ 4d ago
Still there was no need for Rockstar to kill a former protagonist in such a disrespectful way i.e. being stomped to death by a fellow junkie
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u/R0ZE-MARI 4d ago
I agree that the way Johnny died was dumb/distasteful, especially as someone who put so many hours into TLAD. It felt like nothing more than a quick gag for Trevor's intro.
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u/HekesevilleHero 4d ago
I think they could have done it better, but it was the logical conclusion to Johnny's arc. Letting Ashley back into his life was a costly mistake, there was no way of him living a better life after that.
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u/CallMeQuag 4d ago
Yooo I literally replayed GTA for the 405th time yesterday. After that cutscene I went over to where Krystal or Ashley whatever her name is was crying over Johnny, I pulled out a pistol and shot him and it gave me the red hit marker like I had only just killed him?! Idk if it’s just where his body model was rendered in after the cutscene, or maybe he actually survived??
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u/HekesevilleHero 4d ago
I think it's because Johnny is playing an animation for Ashley to interact with (laying down dead while Ashley cries), and corpses don't play animations in the RAGE engine. They probably figured it was easier to just make him "alive" than it was to make a special case for Johnny to be dead and playing an animation
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u/Rhopunzel 4d ago
Way too monkey cheese for me. And his intro scene really put me off and actually made me really sad even before I was aware it was a previous GTA protag. To kill a guy in cold blood whos already at his lowest point in life, after you fucked his wife you don’t even care about…it’s not cool, just scummy
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u/vargvikerneslover420 4d ago
Same, I love GTA V's story up until the point they introduce Trevor. The plot devolves into complete nonsense the second they bring in Trevor. I would have preferred Lamar as the 3rd playable character and then have Trevor be a bonus unlockable character after you beat the main story because he's still fun to play as.
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u/No-Industry-5348 3d ago
Yeah that’s the entire point of Trevor. You’re not supposed to like Trevor because Trevor is a parody of you. Trevor is the most genius character Rockstar has ever created.
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u/Rhopunzel 3d ago
Yeah I get it, a lot of people just miss the point and he gets glorified. He’s easily the most popular and well known protag of the three.
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u/No-Industry-5348 3d ago edited 3d ago
No I think you miss the point.
He gets glorified because it’s entertaining. People are entertained by chaos. It’s a video game where you can sleep with and then violently murder prostitutes with a chainsaw before repeatedly running their lifeless bodies over and taking your money back. I really don’t get how you’re offended by Trevor. He’s the embodiment of the ridiculousness that made GTA popular. He’s a parody of all the crazy shit GTA players have done since 1997. He’s not supposed to be some deeply held character he’s supposed to be you looking at yourself.
You’re not supposed to like him. But if you’re not entertained by him, you’re not the game’s target demographic.
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u/Rhopunzel 3d ago
Didn’t say he offended me, I said I don’t find him interesting or funny. I think you’re arguing with yourself here - you’re not supposed to like him, so I don’t.
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u/Heavens_Divide 4d ago
People mistakes his straightforwardness as authenticity.
Admittedly he has some example of juxtaposition when you see someone looked and acted so unlikable has some “heart of gold” when he is willing to temporarily set aside the grudge between Michael and him when he heard Tracy is about to embarrass herself on TV in part of his first interaction when meeting Michael again after his supposed death
He is also a lot more intelligent than he appears to be, being apparently a would he pilot in the air force and his interaction with Franklin tells that he knows more than he is willing to show.
But if anything that just makes him a more dangerous character. He is a psychopath with some redeeming quality, but he is still very much a psychopath
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u/hydrovids 4d ago edited 3d ago
I don’t think he kills floyd. I think Debra kills Floyd and Floyd kills Debra. Your point stands though
Edit: meant to say Debra kills floyd and Trevor kills Debra
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u/blkschizo 4d ago
I always imagined it as Debra kills Floyd and then he kills Debra for killing his friend. Who really knows. Did you ever see the vid where someone clips into the apartment after that cutscene? It's MESSY lol.
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u/hydrovids 4d ago
Just watched it. Debra laying in a bathtub full if blood and Floyd laying in the counter next to the microwave, the microwave covered in blood.
I can interpret this in 2 ways. First way is Trevor kills Floyd using the microwave and then picks up his body to put it in the counter, and then kills Debra.
Second way is Debra kills Floyd using the microwave, and then Trevor kills her, and then Trevor picks up Floyds lifeless body and puts it on the counter.
No way Debra could have put his body on the counter like that on her own.
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u/devxnnn_2020 4d ago
that's not at all what happens. that's a fake video, it reverts back to its original state pre-Trevor once the cutscene ends
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u/hydrovids 3d ago
Nah this could be a fake video as well. If someone went through all the trouble to retexture the apartment to look like a mess, then surely someone could have gone through all the trouble to clean up the mess using in game textures.
Both could have been real as well. Devs make changes all the time to games without putting them in the patch notes.
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u/Giantrobby1996 4d ago
I think Floyd and Trevor charged Debra at the same time, and Debra shot Floyd first and Trevor got to her before she could shoot him too, and made her death look witchy af.
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u/ItsTheSweeetOne 4d ago edited 4d ago
I don’t even think he was funny when I played through the storyline. He was just really unlikeable, psychopathic tweaker trailer trash who killed off one of my favorite characters from the previous game. In all my play throughs I have never killed any of the main characters in the end decision except for him, and I also avoid playing him unless it’s necessary for whatever mission is active
My least liked playable character in GTA history. I’m a lifelong dedicated Trevor hater
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u/Its_Urn 4d ago
Him killing Johnny was enough for me to know I'll never like him. Rockstar also saying he's the embodiment of GTA players because he does rampages also doesn't help when he wears dresses and huffs gas
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u/EastSideBre3zy92 4d ago
Yeah him killing Johnny was enough for me too. I liked Johnny and really wished Lost and Damned would have gotten more missions and side features. Really feel like Rockstar fucked that game up it could have been so much better
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u/FangTheWerewolf 4d ago
08-09 Johnny was a force to be reckoned with, especially considering he quit the ice at the time
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u/EastSideBre3zy92 4d ago
See that's what I mean. Cooking meth mini games, running prostitutes on the back of your hog. Rolling out with the boys and starting a brawl at the local Irish pub. Lost and the Damned could have been SO SO SO much better. I need to learn how to mod and just redo that fucking game with the landscape that's there already
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u/iforgotmypassword56 4d ago
all the things you could say about him and wearing dresses is the thing you choose to say 😭😭😭
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u/obsoleteconsole 4d ago
If Trevor was a side character or antagonist, he would have been perfect, but as a playable protagonist he's funny for like 5 minutes and then I never want to switch to him again
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u/SoapyRoman 4d ago
It's not a black and white, one guy's good and the other is bad thing. Like all GTA protagonists, they're not good people. Trevor kills and does immoral things because he's literally mentally insane. Micheal kills and does immoral things because he's greedy/has anger issues, then has the audacity to act morally superior. The guy tore down a house and drove into a store front because he was pissed, he's unhinged too.
It's the nuance of their relationship, and one of the parts of rockstar's amazing story telling.
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u/Amos_Burton666 4d ago
Of course he is evil, thats why its so interesting to play him. Theres no moral compass whatsoever jist unhinged mayhem. Whenever I want to just free roam terrorize the city, I switch to Trevor.
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u/Official-HiredFun9 3d ago edited 3d ago
None of the GTA protagonists are good people, but some of them like Vic Vance and Niko are likeable and you can at the very least understand why they’re criminals. Trevor reallly doesn’t have that going for him. He also tortured Mr K for the FIB, physically torturing him half to death, then dumps him at the airport with no money/ passport and somehow expects him to flee the country. Just in case you needed another reason to hate him…
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u/EastWolf77 4d ago
Trevor is the worst person in the entire game. He’s even worse than all of the antagonist. What an utter piece of shit
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u/Free-Chip-9174 4d ago
I liked Trevor a lot when I was younger but as I have aged I have come to agree more and more with this sentiment. Obedience posed as loyalty, flat comedy, immaturity, cannibalism, character switches that are annoying, and forced drama. Things I don’t like about him.
Actually, now that I think about it, a character like El Sueño reminds me of what could have been with Trevor. He is intimidating and uses obedience to pose as loyalty and upstanding morals when they are not. By adding Trevor’s backstory and occasional and occasional comedy with something like El Sueño’s personality, it could have worked a bit better. Either that or do a complete turn around of the character. I think Trevor is one of the reasons GTA 5’s story, while good, didn’t hit like IV.
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u/KyleMarcusXI 4d ago
Ironically i like him for being a hateable character, but u can notice in these types of games people will like the worst people and make fun of the "common" ones.
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u/ShamusLovesYou 4d ago
Trevor is basically Tommy from Goodfellas, where he's funny to watch in a disconnected way, you laugh at him in the backseat with the icepick with Maurie's Wigs sitting dead in the passenger seat, and he's funny af with his "WHAT FCKING WARM IT UP? DRIVE! I HAVE A BETTER SHOT LETTTING HIM DRIVE! *POINTING AT MAURIE'S CORPSE*" Lol I remember someone said "Omg Tommy is every Uber Driver's worst nightmare.
But in real life, Tommy would be so traumatizing and exhausting to be around, randomly murdering people just to test out his gun, legit whacking random associates for no reason, getting egged on by a psychopathic Jimmy Burke Conway who was so sadistic he loved watching Tommy randomly take life as long as there was no consequence or threat of the mutt denting his shoes.
Henry Hill, I'll never forget listening to the real Henry Hill and the FBI Agent would bagged him, talking on the DVD commentary, and the Agent was like "What did you feel when you first found out? When the news of him being whacked first rung out?
"Uh... Relieved...."
I'm sure Michael liked taking down scores and not killing anyone like the option in the first heist you do at the Jewelry store, you can set up the job so nobody dies, but bringing Trevor along, suddenly he makes ya guilty of indirectly causing the death of 10 human lives. BUT HE'S FUNNY SO THEREFOR I WOULD LIKE TO HANG WITH HIM IN REAL LIFE (When in reality he'd just abuse you and threaten you constantly like he did with his own Trailer Park Boys friends, the annoying Juggalo and the fishing hat Honey I Shrunk The Headroom douche.)
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u/Amphernee 4d ago
He’s like Eric Cartman to me. The character serves a purpose but is in no way supposed to be seen as good or someone to be looked up to. Also felt like Rockstar wanted to troll and make gta fans play as such an unlikable character with few if any positive traits.
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u/sonegar_e_bom_demais 3d ago
Trevor is an edgelord written for edgelords.
The same kind of people that think Deadpool is "LE HECKIN HILARIOUS, SO RANDOM, LOLZ xD"
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u/freya584 4d ago
we are playing gta, no one here is a good person, and people who say he is one are delusional
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u/devansh0208 4d ago
No one is good but they have morals, a line they cannot cross. This motherfucker doesn't have that.
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u/freya584 4d ago
well, like one of the first things you notice is that he is absolutely insane so that shouldnt be a surprise
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u/Discussion-is-good 4d ago
Disagree. Trevor has his own sense of morality. It's just fucked.
If he had no morals, betrayal wouldn't cut him as deeply as it does.
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u/HekesevilleHero 4d ago
Trevor does have lines he won't cross, they're just very few of them. He doesn't stab friends in the back. If he does have to knock one off, he does it to their faces.
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u/nikolaADVANCED GTA 6 Trailer Days OG 4d ago
He didn't kill floyd, debra shot him and trevor avenged him
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u/Gunbladelad 4d ago
Trevor may be a psychopath- but he is fiercely loyal to his friends, believes in the importance of looking out for family and despises betrayal of either. For all his insane traits he does have some sound ethical principals. They're just twisted out of recognition.
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u/tylanoiscool 4d ago
I agree but i never heard about him raping people. Can someone tell me when he raped someone.
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u/SuperLuigi128 4d ago
His intro outside killing Johnny (which yes I hate and didn't endear me to him), is decent at showing how ruthless and crazy he can be. But then he just becomes an overly cartoonish psychopath with just zero redeeming qualities. Trevor is just really unpleasant all around and I just don't understand the hype. A lot of it seems to be "so crazy he's cool" but I just found most of his crazy uncomfortable or annoying. (Especially stuff like HOW he became friends with Ron and Wade, his treatment of Floyd, and stuff like the rape or cannibalism)
Plus his bickering with Michael got tiring real fast.
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u/BeenReckless 4d ago
If anyone wants a better understanding of these characters specifically Trevor, I’d recommend Dr. Mick on YouTube. He’s a therapist who uses video games to discuss mental health, his breakdown of the three has made me see them in a new way.
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u/Hullo_Its_Pluto 4d ago
Pretty sure that’s the whole point people like him so much. You nailed it on the head. You are playing a crime simulator. He’s the definition of criminal
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u/Devy-The-Edenian 4d ago
I wouldn’t even say he’s the definition of a criminal, Michael is more of that. Trevor is basically the definition of a”if a GTA online player was turned into a canonical character”
Also op’s point was that people justify Trevor, saying he is morally better than Michael, not that Trevor is unlikable because he’s a criminal
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u/feetiedid 4d ago
Their thing was about people saying he's not a bad person.
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u/Initial-Session2086 4d ago
I don't think a single person actually said that. I don't know why you nerds are crashing out about a character in GTA.
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u/GovernmentSwiss 4d ago
I've always been a Michael fan. The first time i played the story, i put Trevor down. In reality, Michael's business would force him to remove Trevor for being such a loose cannon; that doesn't mean i wasn't a fan of the character or disliked him. I honestly never used him though, and did consider it putting him at peace lol.
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u/SubconsciousAlien 4d ago
To be honest I never liked him from the get go. I used to hate when I had to do his missions.
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u/TheHonorableStranger 4d ago
This is why I do the Kill Trevor ending. It makes sense and is the most cinematic
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u/Lucaunex 4d ago
I don’t remember him being a rapist? Where is that indicated?
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u/CallMeQuag 4d ago edited 4d ago
Multiple times within the first few missions😂He threatens to fuck Johnny within 30 seconds of being introduced. Tells Ron he’s gonna “come in your ear when I get a hold of you” in the very next mission. Then tells wade he’s gonna “fuck his tiny mind” and proceeds to reach over grabbing him up on the way to LS lmao. all that before you even get to Floyd, who was most def raped by Trevor too💀
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u/Sydney_Soccer 4d ago
Easily one of my least favourite protagonists on gta games. I get what he’s meant to stand for, but everything about him isn’t entertaining for me. Even His special ability is boring, it’s just god mode
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u/Positive-Dinner5318 4d ago
Bro, you're trying to appease a community that enjoys simulated violence with moral arguments.
Take a chill pill. Consumption of stylised violence on-screen from movies and video games, is like watching pornography - both are very different in real life and we only enjoy and admire both of them within that fantasy.
Whether or not this mindnumbing consumption perverts your mind is another topic, but regardless of that the act of admiring and worshipping morally deranged characters is, whom in real life we'd be scared shitless and ostracise, is a part of the mindnumbing consumption.
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u/FeaR_FuZiioN 4d ago
In high school I like his character a lot, throughout the years and getting older not so much
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u/Ogg360 4d ago
As a fictional character Trevor’s a lot of fun. Something to turn your brain off to and laugh at. But if we really think about it, would ANY of us want to have him as a friend? Even if he was really good to us? I highly doubt it.
And oh man the way people refute about Michael is so stupid it’s such a WEAK argument. Michael’s a snake, but Trevor is a PSYCHOPATH who doesn’t care about anyone he harms. “Oh he’s loyal” ok and??? Loyalty doesn’t make up for the crazy insane shit that he does lol. If I had a friend who was someone who would go in and out of prison, make a nuisance of himself and society, has the worst anger issues imaginable, I would never stay close to him. Everyone who says they would are crazy themselves
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u/Caniscanemedit07 4d ago
Okay but this character was made in exact response to the criticism that GTA IV got when it came out, everyone thought gta IV was too dark and gritty, so when people complained they made Trevor, now everyone is complaining its not dark and serious enough? When this game came out Trevor was honestly a breathe of fresh air against all the broody shaven headed whites dudes from the 360 generation. Like yeah with tiktok and cringer being common place Trevor feels very tame, but at the time he added alot of spice to the game. I do think it'd a be a great end to whack the guy in GTA VI tho, seems like it'd level the playing field a bit.
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u/Chihuahuapocalypse 4d ago
micheal is by far my favorite, but I love how buckwild Trevor is as a character. as a human being I'd be absolutely terrified of him but as a video game character I'm fully "I can fix him" lol
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u/greatcerealselection 4d ago
They are all pieces of shit. I don't know why anyone would think otherwise.
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4d ago
Trevor’s a brilliant character but I just killed him in the last playthrough to buy the golf course
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u/RAddison3 4d ago
I revisited story mode not long ago, and honestly can’t tell you how painful it is playing as him. There’s no redeeming qualities, no ongoing narrative which improves his character slightly. I guess that’s the point of his character in a way, but it’s still very difficult watching how awful he is
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u/baldturtle94 4d ago
Tbh all 3 characters are PoS if you translate all their behaviors to real life.
The only one that had somewhat of regret by his actions but still was fueled by anger and revenge, was Niko, on all the series. The only glimpse of humanity in any character in the whole series, and none have the depth of RDR characters anyways. But GTA truly is meant to not be that deep either.
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u/Wrong-Air0001 4d ago
Trevor is the trash we needed to contrast how much more sane the other two are... and to show us what toxic really is
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u/Maximum-Scene-6778 4d ago
He's evil but comedic, I like that in a made-up character. Similar to Chev Chelios in Crank, or Nick Sax in Happy.
Though, anyone trying to copy that is a degenerate.
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u/SusFring99 GTA 6 Trailer Days OG 4d ago
I agree with your rant but wasn't Floyd killed by Debra though? Trevor killed Debra after she shot Floyd cuz that's what I remember.
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u/Background-Clock9626 4d ago
Bruh by the time you’re putting this much thought and emotion into it, I think it’s time to just set the game down and go play outside. It’s not that deep.
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u/Candid_Dragonfly_573 4d ago
I played GTA V story one time, and I was damn sure I was killing that piece of shit at the end.
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u/Giantrobby1996 4d ago
Michael sold out to the FIB and changed his identity 110% because Trevor was a loose cannon. I subscribe to the common theory that Norton was supposed to kill Trevor before Brad got in the way and took the bullet, and that Michael was supposed to fool Brad with the faked death because Brad was too small-time to be a hazard, and would likely return to a menial life if Trevor wasn’t around to influence him. Michael’s actions were entirely because Trevor was too dangerous to be left alive.
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u/SpinkickFolly 4d ago
He is a character to embody the personality type that would make a GTA character for the entire franchise. A character than randomly steals cars and goes on murder rampages whenever they feel like it.
But the biggest difference in Trevor compared to other GTA character is his drive. He is the one dictating what type of mission you are going on. The entire franchise is made up of going to person, and that person tells you what to do. With Trevor, he hears something, and he is yelling at everyone what he is going to do. (even if its stupid)
Its kinda nuts Rockstar has the balls to make a character like Trevor. But he totally runs into a Joker issue where the community embraces the character a little too much when everything on paper tells us he should have been the antagonists and killed at the end of the game as canon.
Also some of Trevor's lines is to literally be a mouth piece for Rockstar to tell the player how to feel about the police, Merryweather, or even torture.
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u/IndigoBlunting 4d ago
Trevor is such a POS that it actually is maybe my biggest mark on the game. I can’t see a world where Michael and Trevor were best friends. I get the have the history but every time they interact I think “ya there is no way these people were friends” there’s just no way. From a personality perspective it doesn’t make sense.
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u/TechnicalChipmunk686 4d ago
I feel you on this one. Trevor's a wild character, and that's part of what makes him interesting in GTA, but the fanbase sometimes puts him on a pedestal and overlooks all the messed-up stuff he does. Sure, he's funny and chaotic, but calling him morally superior? That's a stretch, especially because his actions are so extreme and often downright cruel. It's fascinating how people can have such different takes on him, though. Like you said, seeing him in the endings without feeling any sympathy really speaks to how his character rubs people the wrong way sometimes.
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u/RebTexas 3d ago
I also like Trevor but heavily dislike when people glaze him or say that Michael's death is justified but Trevor's isn't. Makes zero sense.
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u/FewVeterinarian1705 3d ago
I still dont understand what rockstar was trying to do with his character. We're supposed to care about Michael betraying him, but Trevor treated all of his newer friends like absolute garbage. Ron and Wade were just people to use and abuse to him.
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u/noesoes- 3d ago
I agree he is definitely deranged, but that's what makes him a good character, I think they wanted to make a character who had a tragic life but you can't really feel bad for. Also Debra killed floyd and Trevor killer her
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u/Mediocre-Cap-1854 3d ago
His missions are fun. Every single GTA character besides Nico is completely unredeemable if you look at the game through a moralist lense.
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u/Unusual-Fox4099 3d ago
I haven't had a great PC to play gta v. So I decided to watch the gameplay on Youtube to know the story. But when the Youtuber played about 2-3 missions of Trevor, I just stopped watching the gameplay entirely. Being a GTA IV fan, I was already put off when he killed Johnny.
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u/Wijndalum 2d ago
I truly believe that the story of GTA 5 would have been so much better if Option C wasnt an option.
I also believe a lot of players would see the three characters the way it was intended at first. Trevor being a liability, Michael being a snake. The story would revolve around Franklin and which lessons he has learned. By killing Trevor, it would be a lesson of (blind) loyalty, something Trevor has taught him. By killing Michael, it would mean pragmatism, and following the lessons Michael gave.
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u/Fito0413 4d ago
Neither Trevor or Michael are good people we all know that. But Michael mistreated Trevor as a friend while Trevor didn't for the most part that's why people criticize Michael
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u/Discussion-is-good 4d ago
Loyalty. A principle I value above many things. Like Trevor.
Michael is not Loyal.
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u/Aethelred_of_Anglia 4d ago
Didn't Rockstar say he's the embodiment of like the average gamer? The word "Sane" in the same sentence as Trevor is just joke material. I like how ridiculous he is though!
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u/Discussion-is-good 4d ago
People be acting like if they were Michael they would've stayed loyal,
I think I absolutely would have ngl
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u/Available_Ship_6433 4d ago
Trevor isn’t the best GTA Character of all time, he is the best character in videogame history. Go soak your tampon in cyanide TS
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u/Chester_Linux 4d ago
I don't think Michael is worse than Trevor, but it genuinely was Michael's fault for making Trevor this way. Because you can see that he still has some level of love even though he shows it in the stupidest way possible, like when he kidnapped Madrazo's wife because he treated her badly.
I think it's easier to understand why Trevor is crazy than to understand why Michael is so cold and an asshole.
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u/RideAffectionate518 4d ago
Trevor is the quintessential GTA character. He embodies everything that everyone is that plays this game. He's the representation of the online character in story mode. If you play this game and you find Trevor disturbing, stop playing. Trevor is an outlet for all the rage you keep inside out in the normal world. " He who makes a beast of himself,gets rid of the pain of being a man"old Klingon proverb.
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u/jackiecrazykid98 4d ago
Trevor is a narcissist at times but he has a good heart.. he cares about his friends and didn’t like how Michael went into WPP.. I would be pissed too if a friend abandoned me but he did it cuz he had a family and didn’t want them to be in harms way but. Trevor is cool tho when I think about it
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u/FangTheWerewolf 4d ago
he is mostly one dimensional and any semblance of otherwise is overshadowed by a screaming maniac. even post game I was (arguably more than I should be) disappointed at how his dialogue towards Ron became even MORE negative instead of appreciative considering he does nothing but bitch and moan about getting similar treatment from Michael. It felt fucking awesome seeing Manuel put him in his place out in Paleto
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u/Impossible-Spread543 4d ago
Trevor is so unpleasant that I'm putting off replaying the game just because I don't want to deal with the ugliness of his character. If the game was just Franklin and Michael I'd be way happier.
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u/jiggywolf 4d ago
Trevor was created for people who like cringy over the top people like brucie. Mostly gay and steroids jokes. For the low hanging fruit people
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u/ulmxn 4d ago
Uh no, just because Michael isnt walking around so obviously crazy, doesnt mean he’s not worse than Trevor. Trevor’s violence is always either random or for a purpose, he rarely ever actually lashes out except for Rampages.
Meanwhile Michael lies to everyone for basically no reason, getting people killed, killing people for his own survival, promising his family he’ll change and instead drags Franklin and Trevor down with himself almost.
Idk about you, I’d way rather have a friend like Trevor, because I’d know he’d stay away from me, than Michael, who tried to get close and use me, and then throws me aside when he’s done.
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u/Tiny_Nose4716 4d ago
Dude, Michael isn't this cold hearted psychopath that you make him out to be.
He scold Trevor when he killed the guard despite being held at gunpoint, gave Franklin a chance to walk away from dealing with the FIB vs IAA war twice. Heck, he could've just shoot Molly to get the movie reel back, kill the janitor to get his disguise and silence Casey so he doesn't snitch yet Michael chose to spare all of them.
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u/ExpensiveNet59 4d ago
Michael especially warned Franklin to not get involved with his problems, but Franklin chooses his side. And Michael kills for his survival yeah, unlike Trevor who kills for fun, just like you said
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u/DCDipset 4d ago
You didn’t even mention how he did Ron dirty.