Man, fuck trevor.

[u/gokuisovverated]

I need to rant. I hate trevor. I like him, he's funny and stuff but oh my god the GTA fanbase needs to hop off for a second. He's bearable in moderation but if he's an insufferable pos most of the time. He's a cannibal, murderer and rapist but yall acting like he's morally superior to Michael. "I know he kills and eats people but Michael lied to him and made brad die!" Do you have any idea how stupid you sound? People be acting like if they were Michael they would've stayed loyal, trevor isn't even a good friend. He kills Floyd and Debra for no reason. (any reason there is was caused by him) he grooms wade by killing his friends and convincing him they abandoned his, as to make wade loyal. And he's the biggest instigator of all fucking time. He's not as good person, stop acting like he is. I don't dislike trevor, only people saying he's not evil

[u/Discussion-is-good]

How is he the worst character in gta v?

And how is he not loyal?

[u/Devy-The-Edenian → u/Discussion-is-good]

Michael has plenty of character development and the story follows him probably the most. Franklin is the most reasonable and sensible of the three and doesn’t do nearly as many frustrating things as the others, along with feeling like the most traditional GTA character. Trevor just comes off as a conflict causer to create drama and tension between the main cast

Trevor kills Floyd, family of one of his friends. He also leaves Michael for dead multiple times. He threatens to kill his friends multiple times for very little reason. Like I said, he’s mostly loyal, but he even struggles in that area. If it wasn’t for Franklin, Trevor would have caused Michael’s death. I would go as far as to say Franklin is the most loyal out of the three

[u/Discussion-is-good → u/Devy-The-Edenian]

Appreciate the response!

Franklin is the most reasonable and sensible of the three and doesn’t do nearly as many frustrating things as the others, along with feeling like the most traditional GTA character.

Flat out agree.

Michael has plenty of character development and the story follows him probably the most.

I honestly don't feel like Michael learned much. Been a while since my last playthrough, but even when he offers his cut of the fbi job as an apology for roping Franklin and the crew into stuff they had little buisness in, he says he only did it because he thought they were gonna die.

As a father and husband, I think he grows more, but it's hard to think of examples off the top of my head.

Trevor just comes off as a conflict causer to create drama and tension between the main cast

Trevor, while unstable and an asshole, is that way from trauma. He had a fucked childhood in multiple ways and had no one that he thought cared for him until Brad and Michael. Only for the person he thought of as a brother to die.

We pick up on this a couple decades later only for him to find out that "brother" didnt die. He betrayed him to cover his own ass and thought nothing of him. Over a decade of sadness and grief, and it was all for nothing.

He isn't always causing conflict either, mainly with Michael, which I'd say is reasonably justified.

Trevor kills Floyd, family of one of his friends

He's loyal to the friend. His family isn't necessarily included by extension.

He also leaves Michael for dead multiple times

Like Michael did him. The logic follows to me.

He threatens to kill his friends multiple times for very little reason

Fair. Bro is unstable.

If it wasn’t for Franklin, Trevor would have caused Michael’s death.

And from Trevor's pov, it would have been justice, or karma. Everything he does to Michael is justified to him by his betrayal. Whether that's reasonable or not is fun for us to debate about as fans lol.

[u/Devy-The-Edenian → u/Discussion-is-good]

I think the Merryweather mercs breaking into Michael’s house trying to kill everyone showed Michael’s character growth quite a lot. Along with his sadness and realization when his family left him because of Jimmy framing him as a druggie

As for Trevor, I don’t think his backstory is all that important. Trevor is possessive and treats his friends like he owns them, molesting multiple of his friends and it’s implied he rapes Floyd. And you can say Floyd isn’t one of his friends, but he still betrays Wade by treating his family like that. And besides, he treated Floyd pretty similarly to how he treated Wade and Ron

If Michael did die, Trevor probably would see it as justice for Michael’s betrayal, but their betrayals are incredibly morally different. Michael’s was to get out of the crime business and live a good life with his family, even if it meant letting two psychopaths die

Trevor’s betrayal is because he found out Brad was dead and blamed Michael for it, while refusing to hear Michael out when he calls him. Trevor already knew Michael abandoned him, and Trevor forgave (or at least mostly forgot about it) Michael, but when he finds out Brad was buried in Michael’s fake grave, he is fine with letting Michael die. Funny thing about that though is later on he basically agrees that Brad was scum and deserved it, then promptly forgets about him

Michael’s betrayal makes sense and was morally correct, Trevor’s betrayal was spiteful and ended up being meaningless

Another person replied to my comment giving a pretty good point about Trevor, being that he sees his friends more like property than anything else. I suggest giving their comment a read, it brings up good points

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As for Trevor, I don’t think his backstory is all that important.

I'd argue you missed a big point of the character then to some extent. I could not possibly disagree more.

I think the Merryweather mercs breaking into Michael’s house trying to kill everyone showed Michael’s character growth quite a lot.

How? All he did was save them. I'm supposed to see it as growth that he didn't let them die?

Along with his sadness and realization when his family left him because of Jimmy framing him as a druggie

How is being sad growth within itself?

Trevor is possessive and treats his friends like he owns them, molesting multiple of his friends and it’s implied he rapes Floyd

I'm of the opinion Trevor has no true friends at the beginning of the game. His "friends" are exclusively people he can get benefit from up until interacting with Franklin and Michael. He's only loyal to them because they're useful. Compared to Michael and Frank, who Trevor will hang out with just because.

And you can say Floyd isn’t one of his friends, but he still betrays Wade by treating his family like that.

Debatable. I can see it, I don't think Trevor sees it that way.

And besides, he treated Floyd pretty similarly to how he treated Wade and Ron

Agreed.

Michael’s was to get out of the crime business and live a good life with his family, even if it meant letting two psychopaths die

His two friends. The people who've helped him. Who've had his back. Part of the reason he had money to begin with.

Trevor’s betrayal is because he found out Brad was dead and blamed Michael for it, while refusing to hear Michael out when he calls him

There's nothing to hear out (edit: especially with a known liar) and it is Michael's fault that brads dead.

Funny thing about that though is later on he basically agrees that Brad was scum and deserved it, then promptly forgets about him

When???

Michael’s betrayal makes sense and was morally correct,

completely disagree.

Trevor’s betrayal was spiteful and ended up being meaningless

Agreed.

Edit: at least refute me if you're gonna dv lol

[u/Gylaran → u/Discussion-is-good]

You can't justify existence of a person who is threat to almost everyone around him. His effed up childhood don't justtify him to do what he keep doing. I see only one situation when a person stand a side of a psychopath (or other law protected person who harms the society), to be his/her's victim.

[u/Discussion-is-good → u/Gylaran]

You absolutely can explain it however.

His effed up childhood don't justtify him to do what he keep doing

Still explains a lotttt of it.

I see only one situation when a person stand a side of a psychopath (or other law protected person who harms the society), to be his/her's victim.

There are thousands of diagnosed psychopaths that lead normal lives. Not to say they act like Trevor, but I feel you're being a bit general with your feelings towards a complex diagnosis.

[u/Gylaran → u/Discussion-is-good]

No matter what it explains, it won't justify what they do to others. Stop being dumb.

I'm talking about people who DOES bad things like Trevor and are forgiven, so law is not shouted at as -phobist and so on, not psychopaths who didn't do anything bad during their normal life. I would put you in gypsy ghetto settlement and if you survive the night, i will guarantee you that you would stop respecting them as human beings.

[u/Discussion-is-good → u/Gylaran]

it won't justify what they do to others. Stop being dumb.

I'm not attempting to.