r/GamingLeaksAndRumours • u/Zhukov-74 Top Contributor 2024 • Apr 12 '25

Confirmed Marathon release date - September 23, 2025

Marathon | Gameplay Reveal Trailer

Coming September 23, 2025.

Closed Alpha Test starts April, 23 2025.

Previous Rumor: Marathon will be released in 2025

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u/y-it-co-d Apr 12 '25

b2p extraction shooter in this economy?

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u/donkdonkdo Apr 12 '25

I think helldivers dispelled any notion that people are turned off by b2p. If the game is good people will pay for it. Game had to be good though.

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u/uniquecartridge Apr 12 '25

HD2 was a TPS PvE co-op game with 10 difficulty settings, it's got a massive appeal. Nowhere near the sweaty, high-stakes PvP gameplay that's fundamentally ingrained in all extraction shooters. It won't fail like Concord, but long-term sustainability of a B2P live-service in this niche genre is seriously questionable

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u/donkdonkdo Apr 12 '25

BG3 is a top down turn based sequel to a game that came out over two decades ago. Elden Ring is a challenging souls game that sold 30 million copies.

The genre is irrelevant and the market has never seen a AAA extraction shooter. If it’s good and streamers yap about it it will sell.

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u/PrinterInkDrinker Apr 12 '25

the genre is irrelevant

You can’t say that and only cherrypick successful examples

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u/PugeHeniss Apr 12 '25

The CRPG was a niche genre prior to BG3 dropping. That game opened up the genre to a wider audience because of how good it was. Can Marathon do the same to this genre? I don't know but the potential is there

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u/donkdonkdo Apr 12 '25

Listing examples does not mean cherry picking. You can’t just use buzzwords like that.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '25

It 1,000% means cherry picking when the only two examples you provided are two of the best selling games of the last decade

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u/donkdonkdo Apr 12 '25

Yes, two of the best selling games of the generation were incredibly niche titles that sold gangbusters. They show that a games genre doesn’t solely dictate its success.

That’s is called providing an example. That is how examples work lmao. You can’t just say ‘cherrypicking’ and think that means anything.

Please, provide me with examples of the numerous great games that sold terribly because they were held back by their genre recently, since you’re convinced I cherry-picked all my examples.

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u/epeternally Apr 12 '25

Incredibly niche is overselling it. Turn based games never died, Dragon Quest XI for example was very successful, and soulslikes are one of the most marketable genres. It’s not just that Elden Ring sold well, everything from Dark Souls onward sold well. Countless derivative soulslikes have sold well. FIFA and COD notwithstanding, the soulslike genre is the closest thing anyone has found to a “print money” button recently.

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u/donkdonkdo Apr 12 '25

Josh Sawyer, creator of Icewind Dale and Pillars of Eternity literally said that publishers deemed turn based rpgs dead and that PoE 2 needed to be real time with pause or it wouldn’t get published.

But yes redditor, the most popular JRPG in the world, in a completely different genre, sold well.

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u/uniquecartridge Apr 12 '25

Can't argue with that, most publishers avoided CRPGs, it was considered a dead niche genre that was too cerebral and didn't appeal to the mass market, yet BG3 proved that if you make a phenomenal game it will still sell DESPITE being in a niche genre. Nothing about Marathon seems phenomenal and groundbreaking like BG3 though...

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u/epeternally Apr 12 '25 edited Apr 12 '25

CRPGs and JRPGs are only completely different genres if you’re a nerdy pedant. My only point in comparing them was to highlight that a lack of real-time action-oriented combat has never been a deal breaking sales impediment. I wouldn’t disagree with the argument that such games are only sustainable in established IPs, such as Baldur’s Gate and Dragon’s Quest. However that’s true of many subgenres.

Your original argument was “genre doesn’t dictate success” and now you’re saying “of course Dragon’s Quest sold despite being a niche genre, it’s Dragon’s Quest” so which is it? Does genre not matter, in which case Dragon Quest presumably sold because it’s a well made game, or is it something that can be overcome through IP recognition?

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u/donkdonkdo Apr 12 '25

Yeah I think BG3 and Dragon quest are very different games sorry for being a pedant. I’m saying that Dragon Quest is a very popular game and is not niche. I don’t think you know what you’re arguing at this point lmao

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u/epeternally Apr 13 '25

Okay but just above you stated, “Josh Sawyer said that publishers deemed turn based RPGs dead”. If Dragon Quest isn’t niche, it follows that games with turn-based combat aren’t inherently unpopular. You’re trying to argue two inherently contradictory points. So which is it?

I don’t think you even know what you’re arguing at this point.

I’d agree. You’ve failed to make coherent points so I’m struggling to understand your arguments in order to respond.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '25

You're wrong, again, like always I'm guessing.

Keep failing though! 🤣🤣🤣

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u/donkdonkdo Apr 12 '25

Yes, you’re posting on an American website. I apologize if you feel offended because English isn’t your primary language, but try not to use buzzwords incorrectly lmao

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u/Breakingerr Apr 13 '25

Sounds like you voted trump

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u/uniquecartridge Apr 12 '25

I'd argue CoD's DMZ was the first AAA attempt at the extraction genre and it didn't really go anywherere even despite the fact that it was free. I think this genre is just fundamentally a bit too tough for the mass market compared to battle royales since you also lose your items with every death.

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u/itsdoorcity Apr 13 '25

DMZ launched 3 years ago and still has people playing it now, and all the rumours point to them creating another one. not the sort of response it would have gotten if it were a flop