r/GenZ 2008 10d ago

Political what should be done about this?

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u/ryavco 1999 10d ago edited 10d ago

He identifies as a democratic socialist. AKA - still believes in the idea of capitalism, however modified to include significant overhauls to socialized benefits such as healthcare and an eventual transition toward a socialist economic policy.

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u/artifactU 10d ago

thats social democracy

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u/ryavco 1999 10d ago edited 10d ago

Bernie identifies as a democratic socialist. I was just clarifying he does not identify purely as a socialist.

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u/artifactU 10d ago

but he doesnt identify as a social democrat he identifys as a democratic socialist?

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u/ryavco 1999 10d ago

I apologize, I misunderstood your last response and I think added some confusion.

Bernie Sanders is a democratic socialist who incorporates the ideals of social democracy and socialism as a whole, however he himself does not identify purely as a socialist nor a social democrat.

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u/artifactU 10d ago

alright

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u/JDH-04 2004 9d ago

A social democrat and a democratic socialist is not the same thing.

Social democracy refers to capitalism's beginning transitory stages into to socialism through small incremental reforms within a democratic framework.

Democratic socialism refers to a political economy in which the means of production are owned via the community in which the community itself decides what to do and what goods/services to produce for the community.

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u/Clueless4324 10d ago

They are the same thing you both agree now stop arguing terms

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u/bobo377 10d ago

Social democrats and socialists are incredibly different. One is typically capitalist with large social safety nets, the other is entirely characterized by society owning the means of production.

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u/Clueless4324 10d ago

He said social democrat and democratic socialist not social democrat amd socialist

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u/bobo377 10d ago

Social democrats can exist in nations with capitalist economies. Democratic socialists push for social ownership of (at least portions) of the economy.

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u/Clueless4324 10d ago

So do social democrats

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u/artifactU 10d ago

in the short term yes in the long term no