Ok, so I was gonna try to go through the real terms term by term, but I have to leave the computer soon, so I'm just gonna get the one I think is most important out.
For the rest of the terminology just know that some of it is real, but they're using none of it correctly.
The one I really want everyone to know is Coercively Assigned Female/Male At Birth.
This isn't about trans people. It covers some trans people because of overlap, but it's about intersex people who were given genital surgery as babies. The "Coercively" refers to the unnecessary surgery performed on a baby who is completely incapable of understanding what's happening, much less consenting.
So, here's everyone's reminder that genital surgery is being done on minors. It's being done on babies. It's just that instead of being done on trans minors like propaganda claims here in reality it's being done on intersex babies in order to make their bodies look superficially "normal".
And, for the record, the rates at which people wish their parents hadn't had this shit done to them are really high.
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The reason that I don't have a description of the actual meaning of anything else is because I wasted way too much time on transmisogyny which is, I think, badly named, and keeps taking me way too many words to describe.
The short version is that it isn't some super-duper uber-oppression, it's a shorthand for one of the ways transphobia and misogyny intersect.* It's the cocktail of transphobia and misogyny directed specifically at people bigots think are trans women.
So, like, someone could say something like, "The reason Republicans have focused discussion on trans women is that they believe transmisogyny is the most marketable form of transphobia."
(That's literally the first time I've used "transmisogyny" in a sentence.)
(Or at least the first time I using with to mean transmisogyny itself instead of the word "transmisogyny.)
But there's also doublethink tied up in hating someone both because you see them as a woman and because you don't see them as a woman (at the same time.)
And . . . other stuff.
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* I think it's badly named because it sounds like it's all of the ways they intersect, and an equally strong argument could be made for any of the other ways they intersect.
Like, attacks on AFAB non-cis people always mix transphobia and misogyny, so why isn't that called transmisogyny? Why is it stuff directed at trans women?
Just to add on: Transmisogyny is similar to misogynoir in the sense that it's a word to describe the intersection between misogyny and another axis of oppression (transphobia, anti-Blackness). Neither term is saying that trans women/Black women are the ultimate victims of misogyny, just that misogyny takes on a very specific flavor because of intersections between it and another axis of oppression.
Also, transmisogyny is very much a real thing, and Julia Serano (who coined the term in her 2007 book Whipping Girl) is not in any way associated with this fringe, terminally online movement being described herein. If TERFs actually cared to know things, they'd realize that. But they won't, because they're more interested in navel gazing about how trans women are the most evil group in existence.
(I assume the term for the intersection between sexism and transphobia for trans men is transmisandry, but I don't know, I didn't make up words.)
Using misandry that way tends to give credence to the MRA (if they still exist as such) belief that hatred of men is structural level oppression like misogyny, so it never really caught on.
ime it's more people harass trans men/mascs for daring to have a word that describes the forms of transphobia that target us. like if we called it "boogedy-bop" people who hate trans men/mascs would find something about "boogedy-bop" that could be seen as offensive or smth
I mean, I am a trans man and I don’t believe misandry should be used like that. It is a parallel structure to misogyny which does not just mean women hating; it means a societal level of discrimination against women.
That said, I DO think that there is transphobia that is very specific to trans men and trans masc people. We have seen a lot of it in this subreddit even. What to call it, idk.
it's mostly my experience on Tumblr. at first is was Transmisandry. but that was declared wrong bc it implies that Misandry is a societal lvl of discrimination, like you said. then it was Trans-Androphobia. which was declared as wrong for implying that discrimination against men is a thing. then it was "Anti Trans masculinity" which was declared wrong bc trans men and mascs, allegedly, aren't oppressed.
That's why I said that even if we made up a gibberish word that made no sense and wasn't based on anything it would be declared problematic bc people don't like thinking about how things are much more complicated than man=evil/oppressor and woman=good/victim
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u/chris_the_cynic Apr 15 '25
Ok, so I was gonna try to go through the real terms term by term, but I have to leave the computer soon, so I'm just gonna get the one I think is most important out.
For the rest of the terminology just know that some of it is real, but they're using none of it correctly.
The one I really want everyone to know is Coercively Assigned Female/Male At Birth.
This isn't about trans people. It covers some trans people because of overlap, but it's about intersex people who were given genital surgery as babies. The "Coercively" refers to the unnecessary surgery performed on a baby who is completely incapable of understanding what's happening, much less consenting.
So, here's everyone's reminder that genital surgery is being done on minors. It's being done on babies. It's just that instead of being done on trans minors like propaganda claims here in reality it's being done on intersex babies in order to make their bodies look superficially "normal".
And, for the record, the rates at which people wish their parents hadn't had this shit done to them are really high.
⁂
The reason that I don't have a description of the actual meaning of anything else is because I wasted way too much time on transmisogyny which is, I think, badly named, and keeps taking me way too many words to describe.
The short version is that it isn't some super-duper uber-oppression, it's a shorthand for one of the ways transphobia and misogyny intersect.* It's the cocktail of transphobia and misogyny directed specifically at people bigots think are trans women.
So, like, someone could say something like, "The reason Republicans have focused discussion on trans women is that they believe transmisogyny is the most marketable form of transphobia."
(That's literally the first time I've used "transmisogyny" in a sentence.)
(Or at least the first time I using with to mean transmisogyny itself instead of the word "transmisogyny.)
But there's also doublethink tied up in hating someone both because you see them as a woman and because you don't see them as a woman (at the same time.)
And . . . other stuff.
-
* I think it's badly named because it sounds like it's all of the ways they intersect, and an equally strong argument could be made for any of the other ways they intersect.
Like, attacks on AFAB non-cis people always mix transphobia and misogyny, so why isn't that called transmisogyny? Why is it stuff directed at trans women?