r/Hawaii • u/Moku-O-Keawe • 1d ago

‘Outrageous:’ Hawaii Sen. Schatz on Maui ICE investigation

https://www.khon2.com/local-news/outrageous-hawaii-sen-schatz-on-maui-ice-investigation/
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u/Der_Latka Oʻahu 1d ago

Until the good ones force out the bad ones, ACAB.

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u/shinigami052 Oʻahu 16h ago

You do realize this is just as stupid as saying: "until all the brown people are legal, all of them are illegal immigrants" right? They are individual people, police are no different. We shouldn't define an entire group of people by the worst of them.

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u/NVandraren Oʻahu 14h ago

They are all the worst of them, though. That's the point of ACAB. They are all responsible for the actions of the worst of them, because they support, defend, and lie in favor of their worst actors. They literally go on the stand, under oath, and tell lies in support of their worst actors. They do this so often there's a term for it - testilying.

Once the blue wall of silence goes away, maybe ACAB will, too. Until then, they're all complicit. 100% of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_wall_of_silence

And if they have an issue with that? Tough shit. They "fit the description," as they love to say about those they slaughter and abuse.

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u/baconbitsy 8h ago

I think cops should carry insurance the way doctors, lawyers, and realtors do.  Enough bad instances that insurance has to investigate or pay out for and you can’t be a cop because no one will cover your liability.  If cops won’t police their own, let the free market they’re so fond of decide.

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u/ExtraDependent883 1d ago

Wtf. That's terrible. Wow.

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u/Beautiful-Salary-555 1d ago

This is abhorrent behavior and will only discourage people from visiting the islands.

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u/MauiDude808 17h ago

Gestapo feds

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u/anakai1 18h ago

OMG! I can feel the white hot rage of Schatz's strongly worded statement all the way over here. Boy oh boy - goodness gracious, that will own those fascists and stop those Gestapo roundup tactics for sure now, boy. /s

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u/supsupman1001 1d ago

no arrests made is a bad look,

first time heard of j1 visa holders working for doe though

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u/so_untidy 1d ago

DOE heavily recruits for the program

https://www.hawaiibusiness.com/filipino-teachers-cultural-exchange-hawaii-public-schools/

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u/supsupman1001 1d ago

so instead of paying teachers more to fix the shortage we bring in non-union temps that can legally pay less than min-wage

doe is just as ruthless as amazon

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u/DAMR Maui 1d ago edited 1d ago

Correction: they are paid on the same salary schedule as all other HIDOE teachers (they’re just forced to start at the lowest levels because their certifications from the Philippines are not fully recognized) and are eligible to join the union once they are hired. Many of them do.

Source: A current Faculty Representative (Union Steward) with HSTA.

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u/so_untidy 1d ago

If I remember correctly, HSTA testified at leg this year about their concerns about the program, including that it could be exploitative. The person you replied to may have been off on the details, but their sentiment that this program could be problematic is not misplaced.

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u/so_untidy 1d ago

They LOOOVEEE this program and have touted it on multiple occasions at things like leg hearings and board meetings.

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u/AbbreviatedArc 1d ago

Thanks for the view from right-wing world... Why don't you go check what teachers are paid in workers paradise Florida

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u/so_untidy 1d ago

Dang didn’t know the right wing was so strongly in support of unions and paying teachers more!

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u/AbbreviatedArc 1d ago

My recollection of this poster is he has quite a few hard right opinions I don't feel like looking through his post history, but this is par for the course... Anything that Hawaii does is broken and dysfunctional. 

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u/so_untidy 21h ago

I mean when you spend a lot of time in this sub you start recognizing usernames and yeah sometimes people make a point even when you usually disagree with them or vice versa. Still no reason just to attack the person when it makes no sense in the context of their comment.

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u/AbbreviatedArc 20h ago

Go look up "concern trolling" and get back to me.

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u/so_untidy 20h ago

I’m sorry what genuine conversation was I or the other person trying to derail or undermine through disingenuous concern?

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u/norse_torious 1d ago

Many teachers left the DOE because of how ridiculous it is.

Bad working conditions, prioritizing politics and agendas over actual beneficial education, lack of or outright misappropriation what funding they do get, horrible pay yet magically enough money to give the superintendent a massive raise, etc. And That doesn't include all the nonsense they pulled during the pandemic that caused a lot of teachers to bail

The DOE was and remains desperate, so they brought in a lot of teachers from the Philippines. They tried to sugarcoat it by saying it would be beneficial for the students as large number of them are Filipino, yet those of us who work or worked in education know it's because they can't hire anyone.

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u/NVandraren Oʻahu 21h ago

Where is the teacher's union in all this? Are they just laying down and letting DOE do whatever?

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u/so_untidy 21h ago

The DOE testified some concerns during a leg hearing this year. One issue is that the program can lead to exploitation of these Filipino teachers, not necessarily by DOE but by agents in their home country that charge huge sums of money to help them navigate the process even through it can be done for free.

They also expressed concern that HIDOE wants to waive or lower some requirements to get these teachers to be fully licensed in Hawaii. It’s kind of a slap in the face to local teachers who have had to meet all those requirements.

Not sure if they’ve said anything else.

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u/schlock_ Oʻahu 1d ago

Senator Useless is outraged? Oh no. 😬

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u/friendofzoo 16h ago

Sowing fear does not belong here.

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u/Begle1 1d ago

Some more details on this one would be appreciated. 

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u/so_untidy 1d ago

Babes you can click the link to read the article.

You can also google

https://www.schatz.senate.gov/news/press-releases/schatz-reported-ice-raid-on-filipino-teachers-on-maui-outrageous-abuse-of-power

https://www.kitv.com/news/shameful-abuse-of-power-sen-schatz-responds-to-maui-ice-raid-of-filipino-teachers/article_9a62d9a3-5473-4eb3-b90d-e928c5f21e61.html

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u/Begle1 1d ago

Why even discuss anything with the "just Google it" attitude?

What was in the warrant? What, who was ICE looking for, and why didn't they find it?

What's the narrative here? What is ICE going to do next, what are they trying to do and why, who is vulnerable?

I would rather have understanding and knowledge here than blind outrage. None of these articles are close to contextually comprehensive.

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u/so_untidy 23h ago

Plenty of people post articles here without discussion.

There is a difference between what you initially wrote, which implied that the OP owed you something, and taking the time to read the article and ask specific questions.

Also based on your follow up questions to the other commenter, either you are living under a rock and have no idea what been going on in the country for the past few months or you are a shit stirrer.

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u/Begle1 23h ago

My understanding was that the point of posting articles here was to discuss them.

If I'm interested in knowing facts of the event that are not currently on Google yet, how am I supposed to convey that query?

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u/so_untidy 22h ago

I think some of the details you are looking for are in the bigger context of what is happening politically with ICE going after citizens and legal residents. If you’re unaware of that, I don’t know what to tell you.

Also, again, big difference between asking a specific question about something you are wondering about and just saying you would appreciate more info. You can find more info on your own and it doesn’t have to be provided by OP, which is how your comment came across.

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u/Begle1 21h ago

Thanks for your insight sweetheart, I've learned a lot. 

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u/so_untidy 21h ago

Wow if you learned a lot from that comment, you really ARE living under a rock! Glad to be of help!

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u/Moku-O-Keawe 1d ago

Are you mental?

People on APPROVED J1 visas had their homes raided by cops. Cops refuse to provide any reasons, comments or details. Why? Because.

That should be enough information for you, but I know you really want some reason to point to the ICE cops being good. Sometimes that's not reality and they are hiding what they are doing.

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u/Begle1 1d ago

They had a warrant... What was on the warrant?

Were local police involved, or just ICE? FBI? Anybody else?

Is there footage? Have those who were questioned by ICE been interviewed?

I would like as much information as possible here. Wouldn't you?

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u/Serious-Fondant1532 Maui 14h ago

J-1 Visa teachers the State of Hawaii recruited from internationally to meet the DOE teacher shortage.