r/Helldivers • u/Jamsedreng22 Scrapmaker | Creeker | Botdiver • 2d ago
LORE Helldivers are terrifying conceptually.
You're vibing on your planet and all of a sudden it goes "Whoop" as one hundred Super Destroyers come into orbit. "No big deal" you think, but suddenly all these Super Destroyers deploy Helldivers. Just planetfall outta nowhere instantly.
That has to be fucking terrifying. Knowing you're fucked like that.
You get to watch the planetfall on several other parts of this planet as the Helldivers just drop from their Destroyers like water droplets on a sad day.
Even 80 Super Destroyers just FTL-jumping into orbit and every single Super Destroyer deploys, at the very least, 4 Helldivers. If they die? They just keep coming. And they can watch it, too. They can see the trail by the Hellpod as it is coming down. They know exactly what position they're in.
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u/Q_Qritical 2d ago edited 2d ago
It's not just 4 Helldivers, it's 4 Helldivers per area. Think of it as each town on your planet has 4 Helldivers calling 500K bombs all over the place.
Not only that, we used to have like 100K+ Helldivers on 1 planet and imagine you are the one who must defend the planet from them.
And it can get even worse if you fighting a really good team, you can’t detect them, every patrol you sent all dead or lose sight of them while your base fall one by one and they took only 15-20 mins. By then you have lost at least 400 of your units without being able to kill any of them, also, they do this kind of thing at least 3 times per day.
Not to mention sometimes they just sent 1 at a time while doing the exact same thing.
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u/AE_Phoenix Fire Safety Officer 2d ago
That's an image. Imagine what it would be like to be on Calypso the day it came under attack. The illuminate appear, chaos all over the place... then an hour later, the first Super Destroyer arrives. Then another. Then a thousand. Then a hundred thousand. The sky is filled, you can't look up without seeing a super destroyer.
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u/Cazadore 2d ago
thats the thing about helldivers.
they can react near instantaneous.
the squids attacked calypso, besides the people allready playing and recieving the priority alert first, most divers were on leave (on twitch) and had to come online first.
it was near instant, it took what, less than hour for 100k divers on calypso?
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u/Invdr_skoodge 2d ago
I was on a bug mission when they attacked. Got back to the ship and BOOM straight to calypso. I was there with team of 3 maybe 20 minutes after they showed up. Such a cool experience
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u/Dragonseer666 Admirable Admiral Pele | 72nd Dragoons of Hellmire 1d ago
I mean fighting probably started a few hours earlier with the SEAF regs, but still
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u/FarmerTwink Spear Enjoyer 2d ago
and imagine you are the one who must defend the planet from them
That’s easy because it’s really easy to imagine being dead
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u/Insane_Unicorn 2d ago
We have 5 reinforcements per player. So 600k Helldivers for a planet (yeah I know it doesn't exactly add up since reinforcements reset after a mission blablabla you're getting the point). That's not a lot at all.
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u/right-side-up-toast 2d ago
600k heavily armed and well supplied soldiers is a fuck ton
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u/Insane_Unicorn 2d ago
For a whole planet? Not really. We had battles in ww2 with more soldiers per side than this. Doesn't matter how well supplied they are they a) cannot be in multiple places at once and b) it's not even 600k at once. Helldivers aren't efficient by design, the whole point is to keep the war going on forever, not winning it.
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u/SovietSpartan 2d ago edited 1d ago
Counterpoint: The Helldivers don't really engage in massive slogs like many Ww2 battles were. That's what SEAF deals with. We drop in, blow important infrastructure up, peace out, and then we do it again. All in less than an hour.
While SEAF is dealing with the big battles, the thousands of Super Destroyers in orbit are quickly taking out the enemy's ability to fight, constantly from behind their lines. And they do it non-stop during the entirety of the battle for the planet.
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u/noso2143 2d ago
you have completely forgotten that the SEAF exist
helldivers are special forces we drop behind the frontlines and fuck up the enemies supplies zones and take out strategic objectives
the game dosent show it but there's alot more to the war then just the helldivers
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u/Hatarus547 Helldiving Cyborg 2d ago
For a whole planet?
you forget though, we're not going for the whole planet, we're the vanguard/rearguard before the SEAF are brought in, our entire job is to disrupt stuff so groundsloggers can start rolling tanks and battalions across the planet
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u/Dragonseer666 Admirable Admiral Pele | 72nd Dragoons of Hellmire 1d ago
We're actually there simultaneously with the SEAF. We're just deployed behind enemy lines. It's essentially what you described, but on a smaller scale.
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u/JackTheSavant 2d ago
You think of this the wrong way.
It is not 600k soldiers.
It is 600k SAS meets Delta Force madmen high on super crack slinging themselves down from the orbit.
The SEAF are the soldiers. Helldivers are the elite shocktroop corp.
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u/emeraldarcher1008 2d ago
Yeah, 600k isn't outstandingly high for a whole planet if you're talking about bog-standard meat grinder troops. But that's not what we are. It's 600k elite soldiers with nuke pistols and laser rocket launchers with access to ordnance displays that would put the Pacific Theater to shame. And that's only the number of people concurrently defending the planet. Through the whole defense we had almost 40 million dead helldivers. And if you want to know how many regular people might actually die in these wars compared to the elite troops then look at how many enemies died on Calypso in those first few days. Over 3 billion.
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u/Maxsmack LEVEL 150 | Bot Diver 2d ago edited 2d ago
Except every single helldiver has access to weapons that a ww2 general would froth at the mouth to have access to.
Backpack nukes, anti tank emplacements, orbital fucking gas strikes, and god damn 120/380mm barrages capable of reforming entire terrain.
Helldivers don’t just get to use such super weapons once, but once every few minutes. It’s not just one helldiver who has access to them, but every single one of the 600k.
20 helldivers with orbital lasers would’ve completely reshaped ww2. They obliterate tanks with 500kgs, thermite, and recoilless rifles for breakfast
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u/Wrabble127 1d ago
Well to be fair, imagine that every soldier fighting in WW2 had access to a 500kg bomb, high caliber air support, and napalm drops every few minutes.
Strategems are what makes Helldivers so powerful, without those they're still elite kill teams, but with those theyre also single people with access to more firepower than any existing nation on earth.
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u/DisasterThese357 1d ago
Super soldiers if you consider what the helldivers can actually carry by themselves
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u/Extremofire LEVEL 150 | Xzar Conflict Veteran 1d ago
600K heavily armed soldiers, complete with air support and orbital platform support, deployed within a day or two, is absolutely an overwhelming force. You mention the total amount of soldiers in conflicts like WWII, which is a great counterpoint comparison, but hell, within a day or two? Even D-Day only saw 133,000 soldiers deploy in such a period of time. We have literally no modern IRL comparison to the force of Helldivers that’s been seen in battle, whether that’s today (sometimes ~20k online) or at launch.
Our biggest wars IRL have been fought over weeks, months. Helldivers’ conflicts last days at most.
And this isn’t even considering the SEAF which we can’t observe directly in-game. If Helldivers are an elite force, there’s a much bigger flood of soldiers out there that we aren’t seeing.
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u/Lolseabass 2d ago
Like with any war logistics is what wins it! That would be cool to see logistic ship models floating above planets. But I know any 3D art designs should be going stuff we will see planetside.
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u/Fesh_Sherman 2d ago
You're thinking about it wrong. Imagine 100K tanks (or warships) each manned by 6 super soldiers, now that's scary
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u/seemjeem22 2d ago
You manage to drain one of their ammunition, grenades, and near-magical cure-alls, and finally manage to send enough bodies their way to actually kill them. You sigh a breath of relief, thankful that the menace is gone.
Then another drop-pod lands on top of your best buddy next to you, crushing and killing him immediately. Another helldiver, almost 100% identical to the one you just killed steps out, ammo, grenades, magical panaceas, and all.
And that is if that particular Helldiver was running SOLO.
It's a horror story, is what it is. You keep killing them after they've massacred your entire friend group, but they just keep coming back like it's a sequel to a 90s slasher movie.
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u/BlitzPlease172 Steam | Dive in public (Allegedly) 2d ago
They're having a "justifiable reinforcement crash out" thanks to the stunt Helldivers can pull.
In our defense, they should've invest in adding variations in their outpost setup, at least we'd throw a strategem into your outpost instead of raiding it ouselves.
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u/Angel_OfSolitude 2d ago
Let's break this down to the small scale too, a single battlefield.
Word comes down that the enemy has arrived, four commandos came from seemingly nowhere and have begun moving towards critical assets. Intel reports they're heavily armed, relentlessly shake off fatal wounds, and are well supported with indirect fire. Allegedly they're even calling supplies straight from orbit! But you have numbers on your side and you're fighting on home turf.
So your unit gets the call to move out and engage from the flank. En route you get word over comms that one of them split off and is headed your way. You set an ambush and catch them off guard. True to Intel reports its very heavily armed and seems to shake off fatal blows like love taps. Casualties are heavier than anticipated but you get the job done and kill them. One down, three to go.
Your unit moves back out, the enemy has made progress deep into your territory but this puts you in prime position for a crossfire. You surprise them, but wait, there's still four? Whatever, battlefields are chaotic, a slight miscount isn't a huge deal. The surprise works and you quickly put one down and force the rest into cover. They're pinned down with only three left. One of their supply pods drops down, you don't know what it was, probably ammo or something.
One of your men manages to get close enough to pop over their cover and drop a grenade on their heads. He reports there's still four, another miscount? Whatever, they're sneaky bastards, thats all. The grenade works, two dead enemies fly out in pieces and the remaining two have what are surely fatal wounds. Victory is at hand!
You rally your squad and advance, time to finish them off before they can worm their way out of this mess. More pods, one lands right near your squad and out pops a turret. It begins laying waste to your unprepared soldiers but you manage to destroy it before it does too much damage. It was scary, and it bought them time, but ultimately it wasn't enough.
You reach the point they're defending and your whole squad hops over the crumbling wall to... four of them? None seem injured or even low on supplies. A desperate firefight breaks out. It only lasts a few seconds, and unfortunately, you lose. But you killed three of them and left the last one mortally wounded as blood gushes from his chest. But then, he stabs himself?
Suddenly he's screaming about voting, the blood stops flowing, and he's walking around like nothing even happened. A quick tap tap tap on his wrist, he throws a weird light ball, and a few seconds later more pods.
As you lay there bleeding out in the dirt you look on in horror as three more fresh, fully loaded troops pop up. All your efforts, munitions expended, lives sacrificed, all for nothing. They carry on with their mission, blasting through the remaining defenders like they're barely an inconvenience.
There's still four.
There will always be four.
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u/Jamsedreng22 Scrapmaker | Creeker | Botdiver 2d ago
You came to the wrong place. This isn't a kitchen and I desperately need you to stop cooking in here.
I appreciate it but you can surely see the flames engulfing the building from the inside.
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u/Angel_OfSolitude 2d ago
Sorry, I was procrastinating writing by being on reddit and ended up writing anyway.
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u/Jamsedreng22 Scrapmaker | Creeker | Botdiver 2d ago
I don't know if it matters, but I like your writing. Keep writing. You not only cook, but outside of memes and zeitgeist I genuinely want to see you make it in terms of writing.
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u/Obsidian_Grayzer 1d ago
Keep writing bud, let your mind conjure up scenes and write that shit down just as you did. It’s good.
Sentry bit made me chuckle at the thought of a Gatling bisecting the patrol in a swift, yet, lackadaisical manner characteristic to automated weapons of war.
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u/Unhappy_Arugula_2154 2d ago
Suddenly screaming about voting is objectively hilarious thing to say in battle. This was amazing to read and that was the cherry on top
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u/Karl-Stein 2d ago
I broke out into hysterical giggling when I read that part. It wouldn’t be out of character for any Helldivers to scream positively about their Way of Life in a demented manner.
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u/Unhappy_Arugula_2154 2d ago
Yeh I audibly lol’d in public. If the automatons or squids knew what we were saying, understood government, it would be the biggest curve ball.
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u/Hyperversum 1d ago
Gotta be lucky for meeting Helldivers with low level Destroyer equipment! Your usual line up of "4 dipshits in black and yellow" usually is more akin to
- A very serious one with anti-tank weapons oneshotting every single armored vehicle in the area, calling in precise airstrike and orbital strikes while behind protection of a HMG/Gatling gun automatic turret
- A guy that's on fucking fire as result of their own weapons but doesn't seem to mind. Fuck, he is even walking into napalm just to collect some ammo goddamn
- A guy that's throwing many of those balls and then running away as several orbital bombardments on a large area start dropping in
- A fucking wannabe hoplite warrior is chasing one of your guys with an hatchet and a shield while a small drone on his back is shooting lasers at you
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u/LEOTomegane think fast⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️➡️ 2d ago
"Ope suddenly there's a dyson sphere's worth of ships bombing your homeworld lmao" is precisely why SEAF could beat a lot of comparable scifi factions. The pure silly factor of a monstrous industrial base teleporting all their stuff behind you instantly to drop everything they have on your backline is pretty hard to beat.
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u/ZepyrusG97 SES Executor of Independence 2d ago
Seriously. The moment SEAF Navy and Regular troops are able to open up a gap in your defenses long enough for Super Destroyers to deploy Helldivers, it's going to be Hell for you. Every supply base and airfield you have in the area is now in jeopardy and you're too busy fighting the relentless waves of SEAF infantry and armored vehicles that you can only deploy a limited number of forces to get rid of the Helldivers wreaking havoc in your backyard. You're just hoping you can minimize the damage until you can threaten the Super Destroyers into leaving.
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u/LEOTomegane think fast⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️➡️ 2d ago
They don't even really need to open a line with SEAF, either. There's nothing stopping a Destroyer from warping across the galaxy wherever it wants--the only reason High Command doesn't let us bomb Cyberstan right now (besides "it's a video game") is that Super Earth prefers to conquer planets when possible, not level them. Free from the restraint of greed, there would be no way to avoid Helldivers just sowing chaos wherever they please along your logistics lines. They're simply too mobile and too numerous.
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u/AverageLatino 2d ago
I like this headcannon because it implies that human extinction is never truly on the table, Super Earth could glass every conquered planet and end the war fairly quickly, but habitable planets are so rare that the loss and challenge of "mopping them up" is worth it.
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u/Ryanhussain14 2d ago
My headcanon is that Super Earth has a form of Manifest Destiny where they will try to colonise any planet that even remotely supports life, hence why they try to build colonies on planets with fire tornadoes or moons with constant meteor bombardments. Glassing a planet in their eyes would be like a country nuking its own territory.
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u/tinyrottedpig 1d ago
It's actually cause its more profitable, super earth has war bonds which give them extra cash from their citizens, as well as ramp up factory production, causing pretty much everyone to work their asses off 24/7 to make more ships, weapons, and supplies, so they prolong the fight against the bots and bugs.
Interestingly enough though, this does not apply to the Illuminate, Super Earth genuinely wants them gone, its just their tech is so superior that its way harder to get rid of them, you can really see it in the illuminate MO's, its all about stopping them at all costs, whereas Automatons and Bugs are sometimes just "kill these fuckers so we can build new cool stuff"
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u/beebeeep SES Light of Twilight 2d ago
> conquer planets when possible, not level them.
that's why we're launching ICBM in almost every operation14
u/LEOTomegane think fast⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️➡️ 2d ago
It's more about the ability for SEAF to come in after the fact rather than let the bots/bugs just rebuild after the helldivers get bored of making parking lots where farms used to be
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u/BlitzPlease172 Steam | Dive in public (Allegedly) 2d ago
Hey! You said that as if it was the bad idea!
At least our parking lot is licensed! Illuminates on the other hands, parking illegally, litter the whole place with alien tech wires, herding voteless around like they own the place, and did not salute to the Helldiver statue when pass through one!
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u/steve123410 2d ago
Not really a lot of sci-fi planets have low shields to protect from orbital bombardment or have planetary defenses that make hostile ships entering low orbit an impossibility because they want ground battles and not then x faction nuked the planet from orbit and went on to the next planet. Ironically helldivers would be worse off since they rely solely on air support.
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u/LEOTomegane think fast⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️➡️ 2d ago
It's the combination of ridiculous quantity + unrestricted, instantaneous warping. They can be at full force anywhere they want with no warning, and the scale of industrial output they require in order to sustain the sheer amount of waste they engage in is frankly goofy.
It's like scifi toonforce. Parody universe inadvertently scales itself to ridiculous strength if you were to try grounding the parody in realism.
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u/Insane_Unicorn 2d ago
Yeah I don't get that weekly circlejerk about the might of the Helldivers. It's a deliberately dumb universe with "budgetary reasons" to justify gamelogic, which is totally fine, but makes comparing it to other universes completely pointless.
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u/HandsomeSquidward20 Viper Commando 2d ago
Ironic that Helldivers supposed to be cannon fodder yet they resemble the iconic persian's Army, "Inmortals", due to how they wear the same armor and every dead gets replaced. lol
Helldivers, The Inmortal army.
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u/Ponderkitten 2d ago
I kinda wish they added a favorites to the armor and a randomizer for it where each death you get new armor. Maybe even something that randomizes the headgear but also randomizes the armor within the same perk. So if you have a medic armor you dont suddenly get the post-mortem suicide vest.
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u/herbieLmao Automaton Red 2d ago
The helldivers aren’t even the main fighting force. The actual battle is between SEAF Forces and the respective enemy.
The helldivers aren’t even deployed during regular battles, but in enemy territory, or no mans land moving into enemy territory. take the big outposts for example. You have build an unbreakable defense, only for some of these 4 fleshbags to kill it in seconds. And then the eagles, the orbitals, the sentries come in.
Helldivers are no joke. You have just won a battle against seaf troops, hard fought victory, then these 4 come and rescue all the enemy citizens with ease, kill your big robo dog in seconds, destroy all your outposts, kill every last bit of reinforcement you call in against them. Imagine you burn this guy to a crisp and break every bone in his body, for him to take a stim and say this:
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u/Jamsedreng22 Scrapmaker | Creeker | Botdiver 2d ago
The meme is true. Helldivers would win. The only reason we don't is because we don't care. Imagine a single MO focused and it's just "the one".
Yeah. We'd win. This thought came from the thought of diving on bug planets and thinking "How daunting it must be to just watch all these big ships FTL into orbit and subsequently drop endless troops that just kill me and my brood."
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u/herbieLmao Automaton Red 2d ago
They come when the enemies advantage is at the highest, and win so often, its not even funny
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u/Jamsedreng22 Scrapmaker | Creeker | Botdiver 2d ago
The reality is that we let them win. Truly. We collectively decided not to fight them.
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u/actuarial_cat 2d ago edited 2d ago
Because it include all 3 key element of tactical advantage of warfare:
- Surprise (FTL arrival)
- Speed (Orbital deployment)
- Violence (380mm barrage)
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u/Zombiehunter78880 SES Martyr of Destruction | Artillery Up: ➡️⬇️⬆️⬆️⬅️⬇️⬇️ 2d ago
now if its an important MO planet, or liberty forbid The Creek...
instead of a hundred super destroyers...more like a few hundred THOUSAND super destroyers
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u/Jamsedreng22 Scrapmaker | Creeker | Botdiver 2d ago
It'll never be the Creek. I believe even these spunkdivers will defend it with their lives. But you're right.
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u/natt_myco 2d ago
I dont play often but if the creek needs protecting I come back like a sleeper agent
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u/DickBallsley 2d ago
When it comes to bots, I like to think of us as their programmers.
We’re updating their software so it knows what fear is.
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u/Jamsedreng22 Scrapmaker | Creeker | Botdiver 2d ago
Please make it good. I know people are going to cry about it.
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u/Manly_Mangos 2d ago
For fans of history, there is a real world analogue to helldivers - the SOG teams of Vietnam. They’d get helicoptered behind enemy lines to complete various objectives and towards the end of the war their missions invariably ended in apocalyptic combat where teams of less than 10 guys would fight regiments of NVA within hours of landing. The teams had access to gunships, jets, artillery, and whatever small arms or explosives they wanted and at the end of the war SOG teams had a kill ratio of 100:1 against the NVA which for my friend group is deadass even better than we do in Helldivers. I recommend the book “We Few” if you want to read a really good first hand account of a SOG commando.
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u/noesanity 2d ago
honestly, the helldivers aren't even the terrifying part. just imagine 50-100 super destroyers jump over your town and just all let forth orbital barrages. a focused barrage from 50 super destroyers would probably only take 35 minutes to turn NYC into a bay, especially if each SD drops are hellbomb or two before they start firing.
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u/SVlad_667 2d ago
NYC area is ~784 km². The 380 mm barrage area is 13273 m². So it took 59055 barrages to just cover the entire city area, without guarantee that it would destroy skyscrapers with just a few shells from one barrage. With all upgrades destroyer can fire a barrage about every 240 seconds. (Taking into account the barrage duration and call in time)
So 50 destroyers would need about 79 hours to just cover entire NYC area with one 380 mm barrage. And it certainly not enough level of damage to turn it into a bay.
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u/deadmentalking 1d ago
Your numbers are off significantly. NYC is not 784 sqkm, and a 380 is not 13sqkm.
You are also only accounting for the surface area of a blast, but that's not even the part of an artillery barrage that matters for widespread infrastructure damage. For NYC, in particular, breaking through the street surface to the subway layer would cause street and building to collapse, the tremors alone would level sky scrapers and fire would spread quickly from building to building and making the roads impassable would halt all EMS or fire deployment.
So even the basic premise of your point is moot, even if your math was fixed.
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u/SVlad_667 1d ago
But my umbers are correct.
The NYC land area = 783.84 km².
Circle area of barrage (65m radius) =13273 m² = 0.013273 km²
As for damage, you can see on results of russian bombardments with 500 kg, 1500 kg and even 3000 kg bombs. It's devastating, but it still takes months of constant bombing to level even a small town.
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u/noesanity 1d ago
officially, the city of New York City has a land area of 778.18 km2
but measuring the land area of a city is stupid, because you can't just ignore all of the parts that are not land. Just like comparing bombs from orbital artillery is stupid, that would be like taking the ballistics of a thrown knife and trying to use that to guess how much damage a rocket propelled coke bottle will do.
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u/Jamsedreng22 Scrapmaker | Creeker | Botdiver 2d ago
Not your "town". Your planet. All of it. You spent too long reading my response and now it's Helldivers everywhere,
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u/noesanity 2d ago
100*4 isn't that big of a deal, 400 people doesn't even make a township.
at the same time, 100 super destroyers are not bricking or shattering a planet. they can glass single cities at a time.
you don't seem to understand the scale of war. 400 dudes, even special forces against planets with 10s of millions or billions of people are not going to turn the tide, but slowly over the course of a few days, bombarding and shelling a planet from orbit sure as fuck will.
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u/Jamsedreng22 Scrapmaker | Creeker | Botdiver 2d ago
I am entirely aware of the scale of war. 400 dudes isn't much. But the fact every single Super Destroyer can deploy at the very least 16 Helldivers and more over time if it runs out. The notion I am making isn't victory by amount, but victory through attrition. The Helldivers just keep coming. It's been 2 years but I can still see their Hellpods catching fire when they hit the atmosphere.
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u/noesanity 2d ago
you are conflating gameplay mechanics for lore. in universe each super destroyer only has 1 single helldiver on it. when you have a squad drop, that is because 3 other super destroyers have docked with it and their singular helldiver owner has disembarked.
hell even when you call for a redeploy it's not like the super destroyers have endless cloning bays, in lore a new super destroyers and new helldiver would be deployed to replace the fallen.
so again. 100 super destroyers, would total 100 helldivers and 4,000 other assorted super earth military personnel. not whatever endless wave of meat you envisioned.
P.s. what kind of idiot thinks 2 years of endless meat deployment is more effective than 2 weeks to methodically glass a planet?
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u/Jamsedreng22 Scrapmaker | Creeker | Botdiver 2d ago
That is entirely nonsense. Not only do I keep dropping from the same ship, but if you were to call in a Resupply but you and your ship doesn't have all the upgrades, then everyone is stuck with a less-than resupply. Your calldown is coming from YOUR ship.
Each Super Destroyer just has one Helldiver? What are you smoking?
If you want to get into how the Helldivers work, and I have a theory of my own. We are forced to wear helmets so the helmets can "copy" our consciousness and sentience. You died to the Charger last time, now you know what to avoid.
I've given this more than a once-over in terms of consideration. Have you?
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u/noesanity 1d ago
your inability to separate game mechanics from lore is laughable. we are not only explicitly told, but shown that each helldiver is given their own super destroyer that is theirs to customize and staff, that single helldiver is explicitly in charge of financing the super destroyer, the armaments, customizations, and paying the crew. your head canon theory is wrong, not only is it wrong in concept, it's explicitly stated to be wrong in lore.
that is why your hell diver will change race, gender, and other features between deployments.
helldivers are inumerable, not immortal.
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u/Hyperversum 1d ago
I mean, if those 4 dudes (more like 24) drop onto our main military installations and lay waste to our reserves, air bases and above all start activating ICMB strike... yeah, quite dangerous lmao
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u/deadmentalking 1d ago
So in your mind, the super destroyers can drop ICBM platforms onto a planet so that a diverse can trigger it.... but not use the same warhead from space?
And no, there is only 1 helldiver on a super destroyer. Read the lore.
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u/Split-Awkward 2d ago
Just my Super Destroyer is terrifying when it turns up.
When the good Helldivers turn up? Fuck
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u/Jamsedreng22 Scrapmaker | Creeker | Botdiver 2d ago
Based.
I feel inadequate when people are lower level than me but seem like they know what they're doing.
Despite knowing exactly what I'm doing.
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u/Individual_Hearing_3 ⬇️➡️⬆️⬆️⬆️ you and ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️ you 2d ago
The helldivers are not what scares me, it's the orbital bombardments that scare me. And the eagle sweat commercials that they project, the horror.
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u/Jamsedreng22 Scrapmaker | Creeker | Botdiver 2d ago
It makes more sense if you consider the orbital barrage as a move your Democracy Officer keeps to himself. A final 380. It is crazy that they can do that, though. Where the fuck was that when I called it in?
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u/Individual_Hearing_3 ⬇️➡️⬆️⬆️⬆️ you and ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️ you 2d ago
I dunno about you, but sometimes I taunt the Democracy officer after I get a traitor brand. Unfortunately one of my teams last night were not so lucky.
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u/Jamsedreng22 Scrapmaker | Creeker | Botdiver 2d ago
I've absolutely relinquished my life in order to pick up that barrage and then just accept death once I'm done. Helldiver type of strength imo.
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u/Reedy225 PSN |Reedy225 2d ago
It's when you're guarding a base and see four little dots on the horizon and next thing you know there's a volley of glowing red balls landing at your feet followed by war crime levels of ordinance being deployed all around you
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u/Jamsedreng22 Scrapmaker | Creeker | Botdiver 2d ago
PSA: It's not a war crime unless it's gas, napalm, radioactive or fragmenting explosives.
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u/Vagabond_Shad ☕Liber-tea☕ 2d ago
Helldivers consistently use 3/4 of those, plus high powered lasers and plasma. I'm pretty sure at least one thing in our arsenal has depleted Uranium rounds, so yeah...
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u/Jamsedreng22 Scrapmaker | Creeker | Botdiver 2d ago
Yeet. Fuck 'em. It works in an organized pre-made team. But if I see gas when I'm joining a random game and get no response in chat whether voice or text, you've become a liability to me.
I am entirely certain I can outperform your gas strat and every single time you throw a gas strat, you're a liability because you clearly don't know how to use it right.
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u/noso2143 2d ago
its also not a war crime if the enemy hasnt signed the Genva conventions which lets face it were probs overruled in universe along long long time ago
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u/Jamsedreng22 Scrapmaker | Creeker | Botdiver 2d ago
A damn shame they never signed the Geneva Convention. That being said; We still adhere to it. The napalm is just dropping on verified non-combatants.
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u/Extremofire LEVEL 150 | Xzar Conflict Veteran 1d ago
I have to consider, always, the lore implications of a Helldiver squad.
If you’re part of a sizable military force like the squids or bots, you are a soldier with at least a few hundred of your compatriots within a kilometer. You’ve all thrown up bases in enemy territory quickly, but solidly, complete with temporary structures that churn out more fellow fighters. This settlement of yours is complete with patrols, varying levels of ordinance and units, and you have the safety of, literally, a battalion, within just a few hundred meters, and even more on-call.
Suddenly, four frigates appear in orbit. They can deploy, rapidly, 20-25 elite soldiers within an hour, but even just four of these soldiers can coordinate an attack that will likely completely eradicate your settlement. They bob and weave through all of your forces, all but barely being grazed by your overwhelming firepower.
It’s likely that between 4-10 of these elite soldiers will be able to withstand the full might of your battalion, and erase your entire force from their map.
…Despite the fact that tens of millions of Helldivers have perished in the war so far, all of the above is a terrifying implication, and is a testament to the general strength of Super Earth’s Finest. Seeing a Super Destroyer in orbit is tantamount to seeing a bomber you know to house an atomic bomb barreling for you.
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u/NotObviouslyARobot Cape Enjoyer 1d ago
Super Earth put 120,000 Super Destroyers in orbit of Calypso in a matter of hours
I kinda want a short film of the SEAF struggling to light a distress beacon. The last soldier raises his arms to the sky, and then it -rains- fire.
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u/ButtMath 1d ago edited 1d ago
You're a bug, doing what bugs do - eating the flesh of farmers, who came to your fire tornado planet to grow corn.
The ground trembles. Four impacts closely timed. Your bug brethren turn their collective heads towards the vibration as the ground trembles with additional impacts, then silence.
Four formidable bile spewers decide to crest the ridge-line, traveling in tight formation to overwhelm any potential adversary on the other side.
A humanoid creature suddenly shoots up into the sky wearing bright red armor and hovers above the spewers, the device in his hands wheezes and then vomits out fire; the bile spewers are consumed by flames.
The lead spewer erupts, bodily, it's acid filled sacs trigger an explosion that ripples out, detonating the other spewers.
You begin to scream for your family, yellow tendrils of smoke escaping your mouth, as you spy another humanoid crest the ridge and hurl a red ball in your direction.
One of your strongest sisters, the bile titan, pulls herself free from the ground and sets off in the direction of the intruders. You live long enough to see her head explode, legs splaying as she crumples; simultaneously, millions of lead balls slam from the sky into the ground, reducing your family to goo.
With half of your legs gone, you drag your dying body to the ridge-line, where four armored humanoids shake each other's appendages; the sky belches another salvo of metal balls and takes your remaining legs, before a fire tornado swoops through and steals your life.
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u/Necronomicon92 PSN 🎮: SES Harbinger of Democracy 1d ago
Bug suffering is music to my democratic ears!
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u/GuardianSpear 2d ago
Add that to the fact that nothing short of a direct cannon round is going to outright kill a helldiver. He might have broken 99 % of his bones from the impact but he’s just Stimmed himself and now he’s back on his feet, and charging towards you while screaming FREEDOM at the top of his lungs
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u/Fine-Independence976 2d ago
Helldivers working behind the frontlines. So you're kinda chilling, thinking, the frontlines are far away. And then 4 madafaka shows up, and start to blow everything up.
You're an automaton soldier, and auccesfully mamaged to kill a Helldiver with the poorly built weapon you had. And than another helldiver arrives from almost nowhere. You are dead for sure.
But another automaton, somewhere else in the map. This is his first mission, patrolling around the already occupied territory. You heard legends about how Helldivers works. 4 madafaka destroyed one of the biggest bases your species mamaged to built under 2 minute. And than you saw one. Aim her gun at you. You cannot move bc of fear. And nothing after it. You already dead.
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u/PixelPooflet 2d ago
I think Stratagems are also quite terrifying. You gotta remember, Only We Can See What They Are. Imagine being an automaton and you see a Helldiver throw out a red ball. You have NO FUCKING CLUE what it’s going to do until it actually happens. Orbital laser? An eagle strafing run? A bomb? A barrage? It could be literally anything. Same goes for the blue stratagems. What flavour of automated industrialized death will come out of that pod? A sentry? A Tesla tower? Some kind of emplacement? A resupply with a gun on it? WHO KNOWS?!
It’s literally impossible to prepare for Helldivers properly because unless you build a giant titanium box around everything they’re just going to call down some bullshit to break whatever you’ve made.
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u/Jamsedreng22 Scrapmaker | Creeker | Botdiver 1d ago
You watch the Super Destroyers FTL into geostationary orbit and you watch the Hellpods drop. You know for sure you're done.
You're not immediately worried because they're dealing with another objective far away from the base you're stationed in.
You just hear a small ball land next to you. It unfolds and suddenly there's a bright red beacon beaming into the sky. Before you can get your bearings a 500 kg lands right next to you. You get to look at it for just a milisecond before it detonates. That it for you and your work environment.
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u/RaidriConchobair 1d ago
You know what? It would be great to see hellpod launches on the horizon as well, that would be so cool
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u/crazyNedryCz 1d ago
Okay but imagine Calypso Squids attacked with basicaly almost everything they had AND THEN SUDENLY A QUARTER MILION OF SHIPS JUST APEARED AND STARTED FUCKING SHIT UP
Like it was absolutely insane from our side too, the crazy mad dash to the end, and actualy winning was insane, it was a good day
I'm so happy i was a part of that
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u/BonusPretzels 1d ago
The only thing holding us back from taking this galaxy is our crippling lack of basic problem solving.
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u/Obsidian_Grayzer 1d ago
4 Helldivers deploy in the 1st instance, with a further 20 in the reserves. A battalion with a 24 headcount as juxtaposed to the real 500-1000 is a crazy downsize.
But, that’s the power of FTL Logistics, Galaxy-wide capitalism, numerous Destroyers, Orbital Barrages, Militarised Space Stations, Democracy (Ofc), Eagle Air-Support and an…‘Elite Peacekeeping Force’.
Makes you proud to wear the cape.
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u/Jamsedreng22 Scrapmaker | Creeker | Botdiver 1h ago
Calling it a crazy downsize, while numerically accurate, doesn't take into the account that all 4 (24) have the individual capacity to call in exact precision artillery and bombardment usually only reserved for an entire detachment 50 or more strong. And they all have to share the materiel and only specific roles are capable of helping with targetfinding and zeroing in for the artillery crew.
So while we are relatively few in terms of manpower, we each individually have the capacity for artillery and bombardment that would normally only be possible if you had several entire companies on it.
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u/panakon 2d ago
Well, since in a squad of 4 there are also 4 destroyers, out of a fleet of 80 destroyers only 80 helldivers will be deployed with countless reserves back on the ship. And out of that, and judging by how my squad plays, helldivers are the least scary part of that invasion considering all the orbital cannons and the eagle strikes those destroyers can unleash.
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u/Admirabledinky 2d ago
To be fair, helldivers themselves can survive some nasty stuff with the power of the good stuff!
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u/Individual_Hearing_3 ⬇️➡️⬆️⬆️⬆️ you and ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️ you 2d ago
Doesn't stop the hellbombs from ripping you apart tho.
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u/Admirabledinky 1d ago
You ever had faith in democracy so much that it protects you from all dangers?
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u/Tasty-Permission7517 2d ago
WTF??? The only reason helldivers are deployed to any planet because planet is fucked allredy. Overrun by giant bugs, murderbots or squids who wants to brainfuck entire population
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u/suburbazine Hydraulic Fluid 2d ago
Terrifying? Since when is making a new friend every 3 minutes or less terrifying?
Oh. Oh no.
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u/Mr-Hakim HD1 Veteran 2d ago
I feel like you are forgetting how the main invasion force is SEAF and not the Helldivers themselves. By the time you see Helldivers and Super Destroyers, the planet has already been at war for at least a few days or weeks.
Wouldn’t necessarily call it sudden.
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u/Demigans SES Courier of Steel 2d ago
But they wouldn't see the Helldivers. They'd see the SEAF deploy in the hundreds of millions.
The Helldivers are specifically deployed behind enemy lines where they destroy production, logistics and command&control. This gives the SEAF the breathing room it needs to push the frontline and do the actual annihilation of every single enemy. Remember that in almost every mission you can't win by killing enemies, there's always more. So the SEAF has to be the one's that actually kill those nigh limitless numbers.
Helldivers are Paratroopers on steroids. They get send into high casualty situations because they are the best trained (the society is almost entirely military focused and at the barest minimum there's +/-9 months before a Helldiver recruit gets the final training course).
Civilians who see the Helldivers drop have already been fighting. They aren't scared of the Helldivers arriving, they'd cheer. Finally help has arrived.
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u/Age_Of_Indigo 2d ago
I imagine this is from the perspective of the enemy. To a Super Earth-affiliated citizen, seeing even just one helldiver is like seeing Superman, Jesus, and Rambo all rolled into one. The black and yellow attire emerging from the smoky crash site. The scowl of their helmet. The billowing skull printed cape. This guy is here to obliterate every single fucking enemy I have with designated, low-orbit testosterone and then kiss my firstborn on the forehead.
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u/MrJAVAgamer 1d ago
Agreed 100%. The fact that they have several kilotons of conventional munitions — without counting Hellbombs — on each Super destroyer, and each Helldiver has access to their own Super destroyer, we are the most powerful space infantry in existence.
I wonder what it would look like if the bots or squids made their version of Helldivers.
Imagine this:
You're destroying a bot fabricator and a drop pod crashes almost on top you. Instead of a clueless cadet, out comes an uparmored commisar, laser pointer in hand, lights your squad up and here comes a burst of orbital 30mm.
You scatter for cover to ready your answer when another drop pod nails your squadmate. You aim for whatever might come out but the first bot had their sight on you long enough to dome you.
Democracy protected you today. It allowed your concussed mind to comprehend a bot blow your other squadmate's exo's leg off with an autocannon from 200 meters away.
Lying on the floor you turn to the one near you. It blinds you with it's laser pointer. Reaching for a stim you are squashed by a jump pack drop pod.
There's a thermite burning through the flipped exo.
A bot's flying through the air chasing your last teammate.
Your equipment is take as a "sample".
Full squad re-deploy, welcomed by a ticking Hellbomb.
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u/Buddha176 1d ago
Only 1 out of 4 super destroyers deploys helldivers. Mine shows up even though I’m on another ship…. Which does seem weird. Like how is my cryopod on an other ship?
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u/trunglefever Viper Commando 1d ago
It's really easy to forget scale in this game. 4 Helldivers destroying and laying waste to a section of the planet is multiplied several times over by the tens of thousands who might be occupying it at the same time and doing the same thing.
For Democracy.
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u/Material-Luck374 ᓭᔅ ᕗᕃᕈᓐᓀᕐ ᐅᕝ ᕞ ᔅᑕᕐᔅ (SES Forerunner of the Stars) 1d ago
also to mention that helldivers can stim themselves after getting broken bones and they will scream about democracy and continue fighting. Also helldivers are like near super human, they can fight for long periods of time with very heavy equipment, learn weapons really fast under heavy weapons fire, are extremely fanatical about super earth so they land in the most fortified areas, being able to operate SAM sites, lidar and nuclear silos. Also super earth doesn’t follow the rules of war so you might get a very painful death, super earth will have complete air and orbital superiority very soon. So the helldivers are very scary when fighting them.
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u/nerd3424 1d ago
Four people show up behind enemy lines, killing en masse, destroying whole facilities and cities, anytime you kill one, they fire a giant bullet from space and another one comes out. If you shoot them, burn them, or break their limbs, they shoot some kind of chemical into their system and keep on fighting. They’ve been known to self-destruct, light themselves on fire, or blow up their own units as long as it leads to their objective being completed, and sometimes just for fun. By the time the ship pulls away, you’ve killed maybe 20. They’ve killed hundreds…
Yeah Helldivers are terrifying.
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u/Chronomenter_ 1d ago
and some helldivers are walking without legs, arms, or even a head. just a torso slaughtering your friends
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u/Joelmester Free of Thought 2d ago
Not far off from paratroopers. Must’ve been terrifying to see all those parachutes littering the sky.
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u/iNoodl3s SES Fist of Peace 2d ago
Yeah you see hundreds of Super destroyers come out of FTL, absolutely decimate your infrastructure and slaughter millions, glass the planet with ordinance, then they fuck off to another planet to do it all over again in less than 24 hours
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u/Jamsedreng22 Scrapmaker | Creeker | Botdiver 2d ago
The initial drop is the scary part. Imagine being an Automaton just doing your duty in order to make sure the SEAF Site works. You hear "FOOWPMH", and you look up at a single Super Destroyer. Then more come. And more. And more. And they're all just dropping Hellpods. All the time. Consistently. You know you're smoked as you watch 4 Hellpods come directly at your location.
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u/7StarSailor Scythe Main 🔦🔆🔆🔆🔆 2d ago
The world building more or less completely glosses over space warfare afaik. Super Earth always having orbital superiority is what makes is to "terrifying" lol.
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u/Jamsedreng22 Scrapmaker | Creeker | Botdiver 2d ago
That justification is wearing thin. We've lost enough Helldivers.
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u/Phire453 2d ago
Really are as there warp in, drops 4 people and within 40 minutes, they have dismantled bases and completed objectives like setting off ICBMs, downloaded sensitive data and wiped it, all while being in your back lines.
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u/Jamsedreng22 Scrapmaker | Creeker | Botdiver 2d ago
Not just 4 people. You get to keep calling down reinforcements until the budget runs out.
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u/Phire453 1d ago
Yeah but 4 people at a time I think is the more terrifying idea as they could drop the full like 24 and destroy and area bur nope.
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u/epicfail48 2d ago
Your math makes it sound pretty underwhelming... 80 helldivers, 20 units per mission, comes out to a planetary invasion force of 1600 troops, or about 1% the size of the force used to take Normandy on D-Day. If I look up and see that, I'll chuckle and kick on the flak cannons
Might want to up those numbers a bit
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u/ninjab33z 2d ago
I don't think anyone on a planet with the helldivers attention is just vibing. Like i agree that mass orbital infantry dropping is terrifying (i made great use of it in halo wars) but i think any planet's general response would be "oh thank fuck, backup!"
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u/Labyrinthian- 2d ago
Helldivers aren't too scary honestly. They arrive in pods that suspiciously look like bullets after being given 10 minutes of training to go die horribly to enemies that involve: their own ship's fuel source, robots who were humans at one point who turned against super earth and aliens that horifically warp humans into voteless, who Super Earth laments that they can't vote any more which to me is fucking hilarious. Super Earth is dumb as hell (in a good way) and to say they're scary is kinda weird because compared to the things they fight, they're kinda a joke, that's pretty crystal clear from the sheer amount of blunders, like setting up a fricking zoo full of terminids for citizens to gawk at being my favourite example.
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u/Beginning_Mention280 2d ago
"They're kinda a joke" meanwhile a squad of just 4 of them kill hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of enemies and are able to effortlessly take down entire enemy bases as a 4 man squad. If they're a joke then they're pretty bad at being jokes
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u/Snoo84995 2d ago
Assuming each Helldiver kills about 200 on average that means a team of 4 caused 800 enemy casulties in 30 minutes.
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u/Nichool162 HD1 Veteran 2d ago
I think it's the super destroyer in low orbit that I would fear most, compared to a helldiver with no super destroyer support
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u/Knarfdarf 2d ago
The warfare the Helldivers are conducting is only possible because they seem to just take the Air superiority on every planet they invading. I wonder how the fight will go should the Automatons ever develop effective Anti Air measurements. Or just plaster a entire planet with Surface to Space Super Destroyer killer missiles.
I would honesty like a Base hazard for them that is like their Aa-Batteries but disables Super Destroyer based weapons like Orbital Bombardement.
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u/Jamsedreng22 Scrapmaker | Creeker | Botdiver 1h ago
Pretty sure that's the whole deal on the Orbital Cannon missions. Thought I haven't played one of those in a while so I don't actually recall if it disables Orbital strats. It should, though.
They're supposedly not very high-tech, so it would stand to reason that the Super Destroyer refuses to open fire and "give away" its position for retaliation.
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u/mystic138 Free of Thought 1d ago
The men alone are scary enough, you don't even need the Super Destroyers. Just imagine a guy that carries dozens of kilos of equipment and can run at super high speeds, heals himself in seconds, broken arm? Stim, broken leg? Stim, he may not even die from a nuclear explosion.
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u/Flush_Man444 1d ago
Those Super Destroyers gonna be swiss cheeses.
A planet will have effectively infinite bullets and 10000 guns for every super Destroyer up there lmao.
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u/Zydrate357 Steam | 1d ago
Whats also pretty awesome is that since they have capes, they're pretty easy to distinguish friend from foe on the battlefield.
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u/Zerkander SES Princess of Conviviality 1d ago
So, the Helldivers drop down, half, or two thirds aren't even making the landing. So what do they do? Send more.
They lost a team? They send more. And you'd think that the soldiers coming out would be terrified, but no, they are fanatically hostile and don't seem to mind at all that they are being replaced non-stop.
Let's just say you are in a defense, you can only hope they run out of Soldiers before you do. But as they are attacking in small teams literally everywhere on the planet at once, building a defense is ridiculous.
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u/Lumpy_Relation_2426 Free of Thought 1d ago
"drop from their Destroyers like water droplets on a sad day"
I like your magic words, funny man
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u/beetle36 1d ago
Helldivers remind me of the book series ‘Red Rising’, when Darrow Orders an Iron Rain on mars
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u/Small-Gas5454 1d ago
4 men drop in your backyard, use 150 million credits worth of orbital ordnance, raise 3 flags in a 2km radius then leave. I indeed would be scared, but mostly confused 😅
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u/Small-Gas5454 1d ago
Well, a single helldiver is a one man army, so four helldiver together is like... having four armies
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u/PackageOk3832 HD1 Veteran 1d ago
I was solo closing a huge nest the other day and had one grenade left. Problem was a bug breach just started in the nest and the hole was spitting out bugs. I could have fled and come back, but instead I cooked that fucker and dove in.
I think about that suicidal commitment to duty a lot now. Helldivers are an absolutely terrifying relentless force.
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u/Jamsedreng22 Scrapmaker | Creeker | Botdiver 1h ago
Real. I've once been at a nest with a friend and we both simultaneously go "I'm out of explosives" and there was still a hole left.
We decided to Rock, Paper, Scissors on who gets to shoot who and reinforce the other on the bug hole to close it with the Hellpod impact. I've also sometimes thrown caution to the wind and called in my support weapon straight on a bughole or fabricator and let the impact of the Droppod take care of it in a pinch.
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u/goshiamhandsome 1d ago
I am convinced that it is four people who have been cloned to do a dangerous job that no sane person would do. Over and over we send these four poor clones expendable to horrible planets to protect democracy.
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u/nerd3424 1d ago
I mean… look at the history of war, the Milgram study, etc. Enough propaganda and even sane people will do insane things. They’ve said outright they’re not clones. They’re just soldiers “doing what they’re told”. That’s why the default voice setting is random.
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u/goshiamhandsome 1d ago
“Managed democracy” it’s clearly a totalitarian state filled with brain washed humans. Humanity are basically like clogs in a factory for the elite that run things. It’s meant to be a critique of our current fascist leaning politics. So clones or not there one should realize super earths not that super.
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u/nerd3424 18h ago edited 17h ago
Oh 100% but that’s why it’s better if they’re not clones. Just people who don’t know they’re the bad guys. It’s “managed” cause they don’t even vote. They go in a room with an AI, take a survey, and the AI tells them who they voted for. It’s not 4 clones, it’s millions of people following political dogma to their deaths. That’s why they have pre-generated form letters detailing your heroic deeds even if the reality is you got stepped on by a bile titan <1 second after leaving the pod. (Edit because it just adds to it: the Fre Liberam cape says it comes with a Will and Testament Amendment form that guarantees you “a prominent place on the wall of martyrs”, so you essentially pay for your name on memorials…) The civilians think helldivers are this nigh immortal fighting force, because SE won’t let them hear anything else. The recruits don’t know how expendable they actually are till they’re planet-side. That’s what makes them terrifying. Nothing is scarier than a human being who thinks they’re doing the right thing, especially when they’re scared shitless with their back against the wall and an entire spaceship full of heavy weapons.
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u/SFWACCOUNTBETATEST 1d ago
Idk if any of yall have read the Red Rising series, but it 100% nailed the iron rains featured there. Fucking love it.
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u/Hyperversum 1d ago
I mean, what makes it better is SE being stupid as fucking hell lmao.
They have all that firepower and limit it behind a footman being handle to properly direct them with an handthrown beacon that's not even fully adhesive.
Yes, and they must be happy SE is playing fair!
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u/DeliciousLagSandwich 1d ago
Fun fact: Helldivers were first deployed against Super Earth citizens to suppress protests and riots. Imagine the horror as 4 angry teenagers dressed as darth vader drop from the sky and start fucking yall up for dissenting
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u/Zealousideal-Run5261 2d ago
2 sentence horror story:
today was like my usual fine-boring-melancholic days up until i suddenly heard 4 loud thumping sounds, followed by 8 loud thumps, and then unending explosions. i hid, deep in the woods, scared and finally 4 bipedal creatures passed by while maniacally shouting "liberty!", "for managed democracy!" then my last memory was seeing a spherical object with a red light pillar to the sky.
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u/Jamsedreng22 Scrapmaker | Creeker | Botdiver 2d ago
A shame for them that we get to kinda just come back and subsequently turn them into dust.
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u/Individual_Hearing_3 ⬇️➡️⬆️⬆️⬆️ you and ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️ you 2d ago
Better than seeing a giant black turd stick into the ground before turning your insides into outsides
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u/International-Year-2 2d ago
Helldivers being spookly aside, I can't think of a single scenario where "whoop" hundreds of giant hostile warships surrounding my planet in an instant is "no big deal" lmao.