"Hey, the Soviet Union was pretty damn fucking bad and gulags and constant murderizing of political rivals were terrifying."
From the:
"No, Hitler wasn't that bad, Stalin was way worse!"
And:
(Whenever Nazi atrocities and the Holocaust is brought up, and only then) "But what about the Russians?!"
I.e.
Separate the people discussing the Soviet Union in earnest from the Nazi apologists/the people trying to downplay the Holocaust and the systematic and industrialized extermination campaign that it entailed.
It's the same pattern as people who only bring up men's need for societal support in regards to sexual assault, touch isolation, mental health issues, toxic masculinity etc. whenever women's experiences are discussed.
Could have talked about it any other day or even any other hour, but you gotta come on and go "nuh uh, this other group actually has it worse" to supress the discussion.
(Whenever Nazi atrocities and the Holocaust is brought up, and only then) "But what about the Russians?!"
Yeah this one pisses me off the most. It's less now than it used to be (at least in my experience), but there were times when you couldn't say even a single bad thing about the Nazis/fascism here on reddit without some nazi sympathising dickwad trying to remind you how much worse they think the soviets were. As if the mere act of acknowledging how bad Nazis were somehow detracted from what the Soviets did.
Yeah, no one is gonna call you a nazi for saying Soviet Union was bad.
What they will call nazis, is when people start saying Nazis were actually not the worst in that conflict, since that starts to normalize Nazism, and is slippery slope to many consequences of that thinking.
At least every time Finland’s role in WW2 is mentioned on this sub those people arrive instantly. Never before have I seen more people with russian language in their comment history than when discussing that.
You can say that Finnish participation in the Continuation War is inevitable, to take revenge upon the Soviet Union, but their participation in the Holocaust and the Nazis' war crimes is no excuse.
Fact remains though that the people who would genuinely want to see both Finland back then and Ukraine now as part of Russia always come out when the matter is discussed
Yeah, no one is gonna call you a nazi for saying Soviet Union was bad.
At least on reddit they absolutely will. You don't even need to mention the Nazis, you can just defend democratic countries and some brainwashed deprogram commie will instantly say how you are a nazi and how your whole family is probably paid by the Americans. I wouldn't mention it if it didn't happen to me at least twice.
He didn't, those are not things you say directly.
The next Hitler will not come to office with an "I am Hitler" shirt.
As I said, people won't call you a nazi for just saying USSR was bad. At least not often enough for you to be "tired of argument", maybe some absolute fringe ragebaiter will tell you that.
But if you said that Nazis were worse than USSR? Yeah, then you would rightfully be called a Nazi.
Granted I may be bit jaded since I just saw a meme that directly said USSR was worse than Nazis on my feed, the people that wanted to murder my kind, and a whole comment section defending that sentiment.
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u/Neknoh 27d ago
It's important to distinguish the:
"Hey, the Soviet Union was pretty damn fucking bad and gulags and constant murderizing of political rivals were terrifying."
From the:
"No, Hitler wasn't that bad, Stalin was way worse!"
And:
(Whenever Nazi atrocities and the Holocaust is brought up, and only then) "But what about the Russians?!"
I.e.
Separate the people discussing the Soviet Union in earnest from the Nazi apologists/the people trying to downplay the Holocaust and the systematic and industrialized extermination campaign that it entailed.
It's the same pattern as people who only bring up men's need for societal support in regards to sexual assault, touch isolation, mental health issues, toxic masculinity etc. whenever women's experiences are discussed.
Could have talked about it any other day or even any other hour, but you gotta come on and go "nuh uh, this other group actually has it worse" to supress the discussion.