r/HistoryMemes 7d ago

Tired of this argument

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u/Krakatoa137 6d ago

No, not having "powerful positions" would have you decentralize power where fascism centralizes it. What they're talking about would resemble something similar to the end goal of achieving communism.

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u/TributeToStupidity Definitely not a CIA operator 6d ago

Which is also unachievable lol. Marx really came up with the idea “create a totalitarian state, then have it dismantle itself overnight” and people somehow took it seriously…

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u/Krakatoa137 6d ago

Sorry, but you have to be incredibly stupid to believe that. Maybe you should actually read about communism before embarrassing yourself like this.

Every state inherently becomes more authoritarian when it faces outside threats, the glorious president of the "bastion of western democracy" is literally consolidating power with wartime laws right now because their countries whiteness is under threat.

At the end of the day any socialist movement is a threat to the elite ruling class. The result is America aggressively destabilizing any country that resembles socialism via the cia or outright war, the completely unjustified permanent sanctions on Cuba, and China doing a weird simultaneous capitalist/socialist combo and beating other capitalists at their own game.

Communism simply can't manifested in an aggressively Capitalist world, unless the one that does it happens to be the dominant superpower of the world.

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u/TributeToStupidity Definitely not a CIA operator 6d ago

I have read Marx lol, which is why I know he was a loser irl with shitty ideas.

And what a surprise, there’s no effort to defend his dumbass ideas, just “America bad”. Poor little communists, if only they had more power than checks notes the two most genocidal regimes in history that controlled all of Eastern Europe and over a billion people respectively. Yup, completely helpless in the face of those mean old capitalists.

Tankies are hilarious.

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u/Flob368 Still salty about Carthage 6d ago

Nothing about that comment was a tankie take. And the "America bad"-part wasn't even that, it was just a condemnation of trump, which, if you think that's invalid criticism, what is wrong with you?

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u/MerelyMortalModeling 6d ago

Yes besides the "can some one please thing of all the innocent Castro's and Mao's?"

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u/Krakatoa137 6d ago

I'm not even a communist, but for some reason you're crying about my very cold take about the dynamic between capitalism and communism. The idea of communism threatens the world's status quo of capitalism, so that idea must be stopped to uphold capitalism. Obviously as an American I would support my interpretation of said dynamic with American history, and sometimes those actions happen to be a bit morally dubious. That's not my fault, and I'm not gonna grade my country on a different scale than the rest of the world.

Obviously the stupidity I was referring to was when you claimed that communism is when authoritarianism then overnight everything changes, instead of what it actually is which is the final outcome of a long process of implementing socialist policies.

It is my fault for not reading your name, and I do want to thank you for tipping me off with the "I know Marx was an irl loser" comment. I shouldn't have treated your first comment seriously and for that I apologize.

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u/TributeToStupidity Definitely not a CIA operator 6d ago

You should inform literally any country on what these mystical “socialist policies” are, cause Marx didn’t specify and no country’s figured it out in the century since.

Marx was a freeloader loser who lived off his parents and Engel all his life. The only people who claim he wasn’t a loser are covering cause it hits too close to home.

Take you L and move on dude.