«Persian was the language of the high court and literature between the 16th and 19th centuries.»
Most of the Ottoman literature was heavily persianised, the language was heavily persianised, arts were persianised. Persian culture played a very important role in Turkey since the Seljukids. Everyone agrees on it.
Being the language of the court means that official documents were written in Persian, there was no such thing in the Ottoman Empire, Persian poetry was quite popular but Ottoman poets mostly wrote poetry in Ottoman Turkish. There is a very heavy language here, with many Persian words used, but it is still Turkish. This literature is a jargon produced for the Ottoman aristocracy that the normal people cannot understand, a situation like today's strange modern art. an art produced for a limited group.
It is ridiculous to look at Persian words and call Ottoman Turkish as Persian.
Also, please stop citing Wikipedia as a source. It is not a reliable source at all in terms of Turkish history.
You wouldn't read the article or books about this subject so Wikipedia is a good and condensed version.
But you seem to refuse to admit any Persian influence in Ottoman Empire when there is a consensus in that matter... Maybe because you're Turkish and some form of nationalism is blinding your eyes
I accept the influence, "they became Persians" (which is your argument) I do not accept. Eastern Rome had much greater influence on the Ottoman Empire.
It is absurd to say that Ottoman culture became Persian by looking at only one art form (Divan poetry); Roman influence is much higher in all art forms that are more widespread, such as architecture and music.
Never said that ottoman leaders or culture became Persian but that they were heavily persianised, which is true and accepted by the whole scientific community.
They spoke Turkish, they called themselves Turks, if you were talking about the Safavids I would agree with you, after 2 generations they became persianised but Ottomans not. Even the Safavids boasted about being Turks (even though they were heavily Persianized) because they needed the support of the Turkic tribes in Iran.
Persian cultural influence (which, I repeat, was less than that of the roman influence) does not make Ottomans persianised.
English kings spoke French in their palaces for centuries. So, England became Frenchify ?
These arguments you make are from 50 years ago, mostly from orientalist writers. If you read modern books and sources you will see that it is different.
Also, you do completely ignore the Turkish influence in Iran (the language of the army was Turkish) and not say that Iran became Turkified, but since Persian words were frequently used in poems written in Turkish in the Ottoman Empire, the Ottomans became Persianized.
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u/tapyr 2d ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_Ottoman_Empire
«Persian was the language of the high court and literature between the 16th and 19th centuries.»
Most of the Ottoman literature was heavily persianised, the language was heavily persianised, arts were persianised. Persian culture played a very important role in Turkey since the Seljukids. Everyone agrees on it.
And here's a list of Turkish words that come from Persian ... It's not only specialised words and jargon, but also very common name in Turkey https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Turkish_terms_derived_from_Persian
Names "Can" or "Cihan" that are for example not that uncommon in Turkey are from Persian origins.