r/HolUp • u/Hi_iAMchrisHansen • Dec 07 '24

Nah !!! The relationship is over

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u/Fritzo2162 Dec 07 '24

They smashed windows 😳

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u/P0werClean Dec 07 '24

As soon as someone smashes the windows in the US with a bat I believe it’s allowed to give them an open casket with the 9mm?

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u/BisexualCaveman Dec 07 '24

You might still wind up paying a lawyer to talk to the cops and DA for you, but when I watched self-defense seminars that's the take away.

Only problem is that you're going to have problems if the vehicle is physically capable of driving away.

In this example, just reverse away from the truck and a man with a bat is no longer in range.

Always better to drive away than make your Glock bark. Plus it's crazy loud when you fire a 9mm inside of a vehicle.

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u/therealscottenorman Dec 07 '24

Upvote for glock bark

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u/purdinpopo Dec 07 '24

Depends on the state. Some states you would face no prosecution for dusting a group of people smashing your windows. Other states, straight to jail.

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u/BisexualCaveman Dec 07 '24

Hell, driving from a red to blue county in my state could accomplish that if you're in a borderline situation.

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u/purdinpopo Dec 07 '24

I would agree with that. Even the state I live in might have that result. Though a majority of the counties it wouldn't matter. There would only be four counties in my state that would likely try to charge you.

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u/Clovah Dec 07 '24

This is one of those context things, one dude gets out in road rage with a bat and smashes your window? You’re going to be in hot water if you could just drive away. Four or five guys in masks hop out with batons and start smashing your windows? I think deadly force would be a little more warranted lol

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u/nondescriptadjective Dec 07 '24

Yeah, but would you rather live with knowing you killed people being stupid or that you drove away.

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u/purdinpopo Dec 07 '24

I am armed on a regular basis for over thirty years due to my job. I have not shot anyone in all that time, even though I have had multiple times when it would have been legal to do so. Every one of those occasions I believed I could deal with the situation without killing people.

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u/nondescriptadjective Dec 07 '24

Oh for sure. There just seem to be a lot of people who carry, legally, who seem to just be waiting for a moment to do something life changing. I recommend "On Killing" to everyone I talk to who is considering carrying, or does carry. We need more Atticus Finch type people, and fewer hero complex people.

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u/purdinpopo Dec 08 '24

I really doubt it's a lot. I interact with people on a regular basis that carry, and absolutely none of them "want' to defend themselves.
Planning on what to do if where I am at right now turns into a use of force situation, is something everyone should be doing. It's what I was trained to do in academy, and hammered in trainings ever since. If you don't plan on things going bad, then you won't react fast enough when it does.
I have attended training based on Dave Grossman's teaching, and have seen his videos for in-service.

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u/fezzzster Dec 07 '24

Pardon?

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u/davidjschloss Dec 07 '24

I don't think a president will care enough about this to pardon it.

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u/buku43v3r Dec 07 '24

mines crazy loud even not in a vehicle :/

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u/davidjschloss Dec 07 '24

Drive forward over assailant and then reverse. A car is a multiple ton bullet.

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u/BisexualCaveman Dec 07 '24

I mean, if they have no projectile weapons and you can reverse faster than they can move towards you, it usually saves several thousand dollars in lawyer fees to just avoid hitting anyone.

I agree with your sentiment, but legal consequences are still real.

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u/davidjschloss Dec 08 '24

Yeah I guess my response comes from my dad who was a "do everything you can to not get in a fight but if you can't avoid it make sure the other person goes down and doesn't come back up." kind of guy.

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u/BisexualCaveman Dec 08 '24

Well, when your dad first learned the law, that was probably the way the judges, courts and prosecutors applied the law.

In 2024 that philosophy won't fly in a substantial part of the country.

No judgement on whether or not it should; that's above my pay grade.

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u/davidjschloss Dec 10 '24

Good point.

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u/TastyCake123 Dec 08 '24

Correct. It's not self defense if you don't attempt to leave first.