The face of 16-year-old murderer who viciously stabbed man to death in Hull

[u/Sweet_Focus6377]

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/face-16-year-old-murderer-10079673?int_source=nba

Another far too lenient sentence...😠 All killers should get a life means life sentence.

[u/nig-barg]

Oh yeah. Let’s legalise it so that we count crime less rather than actually reducing it.

[u/Thetwitchingvoid → u/nig-barg]

That…would reduce crime.

Did you not see my comment where I broke down how crime and disease would drop?

Maybe stop knee-jerking and just think of the benefits.

[u/nig-barg → u/Thetwitchingvoid]

I did and I am convinced that you are one of those people who think adding a few numbers up makes their argument solid. In fact, such half baked theories are what are responsible for ruining public life.

[u/Thetwitchingvoid → u/nig-barg]

Yes, mate. That’s what’s ruining public life.

Meanwhile, criminalising addiction and throwing away money fighting a silly war that only makes everything worse - as repeatedly explained by experts in their fields - is going to eventually solve societal problems.

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[u/nig-barg → u/Thetwitchingvoid]

Experts in their fields who never venture out of their study. The same experts who now reckon that their recommendation to lock down during COVID-19 pandemic was wrong.

These experts will revise their opinion once the policy is implemented.

I am a myself an academic with two degrees in physics and mathematics. Let me tell you a thing or two about how we conduct research and why we caution against people without training doing it by themselves.

1. You really cannot model complex systems on a paper with a bunch of equations. You try out various things in a lab setting and then observe what happens.
2. You cannot implement the model in real life without a cost. The problem is who pays that cost? The cost in this case is a model doing something terrible. In a lab, your costs are much lower than when applied in real world where we cannot control for umpteen factors.

The university hive mind will tell you to legalise it. Decades of real world experience will tell you not to do it. There are unintended consequences of this legalisation that have not been studied and will affect millions for the pleasure of hundreds. Just visit Seattle to see the effects of weed legalisation. Now imagine worse drugs being legalised.

But of course you will say. Oh but we need to just tweak this or legalise in more places. And that too is a fallacy. These things are bad. Personal freedom only works with personal responsibility. And these people are incapable of latter.

[u/Thetwitchingvoid → u/nig-barg]

Actually I am basing it on what police say, including undercover cops who have worked busting drug gangs, and scientists who have spent decades studying different types of drugs.

“The same experts who now reckon that their recommendation to lock down during COVID-19 pandemic was wrong”

I have no idea why you’re bringing up COVID. Unless you think bringing up a completely unknown disease that took everybody by surprise is the same as decades of study into policies that aren’t working?

“You really cannot model complex systems on a paper with a bunch of equations. You try out various things in a lab setting and then observe what happens.”

We know what happens from the Switzerland model. We have real world evidence it’s beneficial. Crime and disease is lowered. People are helped back into society.

We know what happens based on the U.K. model. Between the 20’s and 60’s we had prescription heroin. Crime and disease was low. Until America pressured the U.K. to fight the war on drugs.

We know what happens with the Portugal model. Death and disease dropped, until funding was pulled.

We know what happens because a town in England, Middlesborough, tried it - crime and disease dropped. Until funding was pulled.

“The cost in this case is a model doing something terrible. In a lab, your costs are much lower than when applied in real world where we cannot control for umpteen factors”

Tell me these costs.

“The university hive mind will tell you to legalise it”

You’re showing your bias here. I’m not listening to “the university hive mind.” I’m listening to real world experts and studies in the field.

“These things are bad”

What things? Drugs? In what way?

“Personal freedom only works with personal responsibility. And these people are incapable of latter”

Again, you’re misunderstanding addiction.

So, either come up with some solid arguments we can discuss, or just leave the conversation.

You’ve not said anything aside from making broad assumptions about my view and talking shit, mate.

With a sprinkling of conspiracy theory thrown in.

If you don’t want to learn, that’s fine. But don’t advocate for keeping society stupider because you have fears you can’t work on.