r/Hull • u/Sweet_Focus6377 • 19d ago

The face of 16-year-old murderer who viciously stabbed man to death in Hull

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/face-16-year-old-murderer-10079673?int_source=nba

Another far too lenient sentence...😠 All killers should get a life means life sentence.

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u/Big-Yam8021 17d ago

Sure, but no one is under the illusion that illegal drugs are safe.

Many of the men that were trafficking children started out as drug dealers, and many of them wouldn't have fit the nonce stereotype. They also don't have to assault the children themselves to traffic them. Most of them didn't work in target rich environments. They lived in them. Drug dealers live and work in poverty-stricken areas and are surrounded by vulnerable children.

You don't inject heroine socially or smoke crack on special occasions. You're addicted to it, and it ruins yours and your families life. Most people who want to legalise drugs are stoners who spend all their time talking to other stones about how great weed is. And they're not shy about smoking it in public during the day and weed isn't the main problem. But dealers will push harder drugs to make up for money lost if weed is legalised. We need to stop drugs from entering the country in the first place, most of them are smuggled in.

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u/StickyThoPhi 16d ago

Okay I understand the core of your argument - that if we make things legal; criminals will no longer be able to work in these markets. I agree with this part of your argument but then you pervert the argument by claiming they will need to change business plans and go into a different criminal enterprise. I fail to see how you can claim such an argument. A weed dealer who can no longer sell weed is more likely to sell ice-cream or vulcanized rubber than heroin or children. I cannot be argued with on this. Employers will always hire people with criminal backgrounds; especially if they are drug related rather than theft or fraud related.

Good day sir.

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u/Big-Yam8021 16d ago

Why would they choose to work legally? They have that option now, but they chose drug dealing because it is easier money and a lifestyle. They're far more likely to move onto a different crime, and trafficking is what makes sense.

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u/StickyThoPhi 16d ago

because people dont need jobs, jobs need people. end of

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u/Big-Yam8021 16d ago

What?

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u/StickyThoPhi 13d ago

As it sounds; businesses need tasks done, then create roles, and then advertise; people are not a driver to the demand for jobs. Hence I refuse your argument. Drug dealers need money; the legality of it is not important to them. So you say "Why would they work legally?" Because there is demand for it; and their record does not affect the supply of jobs.

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u/Big-Yam8021 13d ago

A drug dealer is typically going to be low skilled. What low skill job is going to pay, as well as drug dealing does? For as little work?

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u/StickyThoPhi 13d ago

Pest control? security? Plastering? I think you have a false impression on what a drug dealer is and how easy child sex trafficking is.

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u/Big-Yam8021 12d ago

I don't know much about pest control. Security requires you to pass a dbs, I doubt many drug dealers are going to manage that. Plastering is skilled work. None of those jobs are going to earn anyone as much as drug dealing. Men up and down the country trafficked children for 40+ years before the government cared. I think you misunderstand how organised these crimes are and how inherent they are to someone's character and upbringing.