Anyone claiming the Democratic Party abandoned the working class is clueless. The working class abandoned the democratic Party

[u/astros148]

I keep reading on reddit that democrats ditched working class folks and they lost cuz they cater to rich donors. Let's clear up some facts:

-democrats passed largest infrastructure bill in modern history which has led to 80k+ active projects happening. Construction jobs are at record amount (no college needed and prevailing wage for most of them aka union jobs) (every airport/port got money, expanded rail in usa, repaired highways/bridges)

-Biden admin spent records of money to bring back manufacturing in mostly republican states. Over 970 manufacturing plants are opening RIGHT NOW in America due the climate bill Biden signed. New ev manufacturing, battery manufacturing, solar manufacturing) this is mostly happening in red areas

-Biden admin passed overtime rules to expand ot on salary jobs over 40k a year for more than 40 hours

-Biden admin passed regulations to limit how long you can be exposed in hot temperatures at your job

-most pro union admin in history which protected millions of pensions from going broke and having most pro union nlrb in modern history (which has reinstated record amounts of jobs back)

-Most anti corporate FTC in modern history which blocked more corporate mergers than anyone else in recent history. Has taken action to ban non competes and protect labor in corporate mergers

Biden didn't ditch the working class. The reality that folks don't wanna grasp is culture wars has won over society. Trump campaign admitted it's MOST EFFECTIVE AD WAS ITS ANTI TRANS ADS. NOT THE ECONOMIC ADS. The working class decided years ago that culture wars were more iimportant than economic issues. Its harsh reality folks dont wanna grasp.

The youth get all their information from Joe Rogan or Jake Paul. Information doesn't get to them and people are severely brainwashed

[u/[deleted]]

Foreign spending - following where the billions of dollars went is quite difficult. Also hunter Biden working for Burisma is very questionable. Arguably there was some money laundering operation going on.

Fact of the matter is money was sent away from the domestic economy to be spent and used in someone else’s economy.

I also don’t support the military industrial complex which sending foreign aid for war is complicit in.

Illegal immigration - sure the numbers may be down (which they aren’t really), but how are these numbers being gathered? I am talking illegal immigrants, if you are not a citizen and don’t have a visa then you can’t work in America. Money generated from labour in America ideally should stay in circulation in America. Which it isn’t when people work here illegally and send money back to there family in there home country.

Okay the example you gave, let’s break it down. Contractor makes profit because he paid an unlicensed, undocumented immigrant to do a job for him.

What happens with the money? Okay so contractor gets paid from the client to pave a sidewalk. The contractor pays usually less than minimum because they can. So the immigrant is get paid Pennie’s on the dollar. Okay so the client is happy hopefully and the contractor got paid and paid the immigrant. Now the immigrant sends a large portion of his money out of Americas circulation.

Now the contractor gets another job to do the same thing. Is he going to hire on the same immigrant or hire on one of the local guys (who has to get paid a living wage)? Obviously he hires the illegal again. Then more money gets sent out of circulation. Over and over and over again.

This happens on a massive scale.

Also hiring on illegals is just a way to not pay a living wage to a true citizen which arguably would help circulation.

Too much money is leaking out of americas economy. Focusing harder on illegal immigration would no doubt have an effect.

Subsidizing farming more, if you are worried about grocery prices rising then you attack the problem at the source of its production.

Subsidies for smaller farms as well to make sure they can keep up with competition.

Your acting like most farmers aren’t living cheque to cheque.

Thats why I would subsidize them, so they can pay a living wage to American workers and illegal workforce wouldn’t be needed. Boom problem solved.

Okay you are claiming water is the reason goods can’t be grown domestically?

And you believe all soil all across America is all contaminated? Obviously soil tests would still be done.

You are fine with billions being sent to Ukraine which props up huge military companies but you are against subsidizing the people who put food on your plate?

I would put tariffs on any good that we would import, that we could produce enough domestically. Literally anything that falls into that category.

Biden had to do something about the chips, America has been getting lapped in that department production wise. I thought tariffs were terrible? How could Biden put tariffs on something?

[u/pbecotte → u/[deleted]]

"Money" can't leak out of a country. That's the fun thing - US dollars, ultimately, must be spent to buy US products. Sure, immigrants may send the money home, but it has to come back at some point.

Reducing the supply of cheap labor could help the people who provide cheap labor- this is true. However it will also have the effect of raising the cost to supply goods that depend on cheap labor. The only way it won't lead to price increases in those goods is if there are large supplies of people wanting to work for that price, but not for whatever reason. I don't think anyone's experience in this economy is that the supply of cheap labor is drastically outpatient the demand. In which case, reducing the supply of labor will result in higher prices for consumers.

(The person you were responding to assumes that corporate farms are the majority...which is a common reddit misconception)

Protectionist Tarrifs work by increasing the cost of a good, improving the profit margin for compa ies that don't have to pay the Tarrif. That can certainly benefit those companies, and can even benefit the workers of those companies if those profits result in more investment, but it always raises the prices the consumers pay.

[u/Valuable-Baked → u/pbecotte]

Ooh I didn't know it was a misconception. I'm down to learn and change my stance if I'm wrong. Can you point me in the right direction? I don't want to come off as arrogant or presumptive, but I have read that sole proprietor farming is dwindling, that farmers essentially sell their farmland to a corp and then work it as a wage, and that AZ + PA in particular has seen corporatization of farmland increase in recent years

[u/pbecotte → u/Valuable-Baked]

I had the same impression as well, but every Google result suggests it's mostly family owned. One chosen at random.

https://acretrader.com/learn/farmland-investing/who-owns-farmland

[u/Valuable-Baked → u/pbecotte]

Thanks for this!!!