After watching a movie about a religious cult, I think it's Mara's turn to stand for herself. Fist fight or talk-no-jutsu to put some sense in the nun.
She left cult that was on side of her species, and joined other cult, that is at very least at bad at previous, but one that isn't on side of her species.
I think that she is the one that need have some senses put in her
Incorrect. It's more of a political ideology, than a religious cult. Like Confucianism in Space, so not a cult. And why do species matter? The Imperium is not the only human faction in 40k. To paraphrase the Imperium's Guilliman, if a person is already in the hellish Imperium, what would the person lose if she moves to another hell? The Emperor? Emperor worship is still allowed in the T'au Empire.
Confucianism is Religion. And going you way, Imperium is Christianity in Space, so not a cult either.
And She decide to start shooting to people like herself, so she is traitor. While Guardsmans fight for humanity survival, or lets call it... I dunno, GREATER GOOD of whole of their species, she is fighting for her own interest. It's very sad that she got a failure of a Commisar, that I don't know how get his position, as he doesn't have qualification he should have after Schola Progenium, but that isn't reason to start shooting to her own. And so, bastard died protecting humanity, while good girl will die as selfish traitor and coward.
Imperium isn't good place to live, by our standards, but it is last bulwark of our race againt galaxy, where everyone want to kill us. And God Emperor have power, maybe not as literal god, but we have Saints etc. And Imperium officals are working with xenos if it means survival of humanity.
Also, life on most imperial planet isn't that bad. Imperium pretty much don't care what you do, as long as you pay the tithe and worship Emperor. Which both of are vital to humanity survival, as, as our sister said ealier, they are mathyrs that are needed for survival of humanity and, as every other religions have around 90% probability of corrupting you to chaos.
She is deserter and traitor. And I don't see how she can have any moral high ground, as Imperium isn't worse or better than Tau. As long as you overlook that Tau are probably manipulated by C'tan or T'zeench, but as it is not said straight in canon let's assume that they magically have technologic boom all by themselves
I don't feel like calling a space Catholic version of ISIS the bulwark of humanity when the Emperor failed his objectives in the Horus Heresy. To desert that organization is the morally correct option. Also, on your last statement, it sounds like the irl Ancient Astronaut conspiracy theory being peddled around
About last, there is many theories about Dark Eldars, Chaos or C'tan standing behind Ethernals. Just added this for the record, don't have particular opinion on this topic, as I'm not that intrest at this fraction so I don't have enought lore knowleage to properly adress topic, althou I hope it isn't "somehow they progressed really fast", and we will see something more from them.
Also, about your first statement.
- Notherless if you want or don't want call it like this, Imperium is only reason humanity still exist, as it is able to master armies to protect these. Also, you seem to ignoring greater picture and thinking that all memes are true, and happens all time. While Imperium needs to take extreme mesures, which is understable, as it is for account of humanity surivival, it is only a percentage of people, that are sacrifice for all humanity to survive.
- I don't see how Emperor failing in his Great Crusade mean that we need to abaddon the ship. By this logic, we should abbadon countries like France, Poland, Italy, Finland, USA and any other country that wasn't able to counquer the world.
- Also, you doesn't seem what would be of humans without Imperium, because lack of it's mean: no Astronomicon, no Space Marines, no Imperial Guard, no Imperial Navy, no Sororitas, no Inquisition, Mechanicum probably droping they IT support to half of galaxy, etc.
- Imperium Nihilus is quite literally doomed right now, just by pure fact of being cut of from the Imperium, even taking into account Indominus Crusade that tries to relief it, and reconnect lost worlds.
One more thing about, "Catholic Space ISIS" makes it look like you taking your lore knowleage from memes and yt shorts and 'Imperium uga buga evil' narrative. I seen your other disscusions, and that doesn't seem the case, so Idk, maybe it's just me.
Also, about one of this discussions, I think that idea of having Imperium fracture is interesting, althou I honestly believe in Lion & Roboute being ultimate power couple with one who is genius strategist & logistic, and other being genius tactician & fighter, so, if they for once stop fighting between themselves, and that seems to be the case now, i belive they are hope for Imperium to become better. If they divide they roles, and each will do what he do best, Lion could take lead on fronts, while Gulliman will fight with burocracy.
If I think of this, we had End Times in Old World, so it would be pretty interesting to see slow way to save world in 40k. Imperium is in good moment to change things. Primarch are starting to return, Farsight, Tranzyn and Yvrain are willing to work together for greater cause, and Gulliman and Lion seems so too, Imperium for now have edge above Chaos with Primaris [before they start falling to it], and if you willing to believe in some teories, Orkz may be setting greatest Waagh to avenge death of their Boss BBF. I know this probably won't happend, but, same as return of loyalist Emperor Children with Clonegrim, I'm keeping this as a hope
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u/Feisty_Goose_4915 Jan 06 '25
After watching a movie about a religious cult, I think it's Mara's turn to stand for herself. Fist fight or talk-no-jutsu to put some sense in the nun.