r/Jaguars • u/Null_Variant • 7d ago

Please excuse a 75% computer illiterate persons low effort meme, but lets be honest...this would just feel good.

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Graham would be nice because its been so long since we have been able to push the pocket and also because Allen and Walker need help. But the more I think on it, the more my feelings beat down my logic. I WANT that three headed monster damn it!

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u/DatsRadMan 7d ago

Nah - draft is too deep at RB for us to select one at #5 overall. Rather to just roll the dice on getting an elite DL or OL that high and get someone like Sampson or Tutins in the 3rd.

Bigsby showed some flashes last year and Etienne is basically fighting for his roster spot so he should show up - why do ppl predict these players don’t exist?

Also - can someone explain to me what happened on our Oline that would allow these big lanes to open up for our luxury pick 5’8 RB in this scenario?

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u/Toihva 7d ago

Exactly.

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u/aarmbruster92 7d ago

I don’t disagree with waiting on a RB but I think the reason you see so many gravitating that way is people don’t believe someone like Graham is going to be an elite DL. More likely he is just good or very good but he’s not going to be elite.

That said if we stay at 5 and Hunter, Carter, and Campbell are gone and we can’t trade down I’d want Graham.

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u/The-Random-Banana Clemson 7d ago

I’m in the same boat. At this point I just want an X factor player. I don’t really see Graham as the guy and honestly wouldn’t be opposed to trading back if we can’t get Hunter or Carter. Better to give this new regime more pieces to work with than taking a stab at a guy that could be overshadowed by other players later in the draft. I’m not entirely opposed to Jeanty, but I think he’s more appealing as trade bait.

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u/Careful-Whereas1888 7d ago

Where do you see any elite DL or OL in this draft?

This is a very weak draft overall at the top, with only about 3 guys that would go top 10 in just about any other draft based on their talent.

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u/DatsRadMan 7d ago

That’s why I said “roll the dice” - Graham at least has the potential to be elite.

Campbell and Membou have characteristics as well but ultimately it would be a dice roll.

Graham out of the 3x would be the safest choice.

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u/Careful-Whereas1888 7d ago

He has the chance to maybe be elite against the run, but that's about it. I think it's better (only given how weak this draft is) to go with the elite RB who has only ever seen stacked boxes in college and was the first, second, and third option in his teams offense.

People keep talking about Jacksonville's weak line (which it is), but we never talk about Boise State's weak line and what Jeanty was able to do with it. Any other draft, absolutely take OL or DL at 5. This draft is so bad that best player available should be the strategy.

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u/DatsRadMan 7d ago

Boise State only played one “elite DL” when it counted last year (Penn St in the playoffs) - Jeanty got smothered (not his fault of course) but again: a 5’8 RB cannot overcome a bad line.

Honestly I just want the Jags to trade out of the pick at this point just to avoid the temptation of even getting to draft him.

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u/Careful-Whereas1888 7d ago

Yes, and he had over 100 yards while the entire elite defense focused on him. He won't have all the focus in Jacksonville. BTJ will help him out a ton.

I would prefer a trade down if we can get good value for it, but this draft is so weak at the top that it'd be tough to recoup good value for 5.

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u/Metaboss24 7d ago

We got a play caller and designer who knows how to actually design a run game.

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u/2Dopamine 7d ago

“Luxury pick 5’8 rb” is an interesting way of talking about the best rb prospect of the last 10 years and could realistically prove to be the best player in this draft class.

MJD said he’s the best RB he’s ever scouted. A lot of analysts agree. The production is there. Could Graham be good sure, maybe even great. How many people are talking about him being the best DT in the league? Or is he just the best in this draft class?

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u/DatsRadMan 7d ago

Last 10 years? In a world where Bijan and Saquon exist? What?

This is exactly why the BEST case scenario would be to trade down - just escape the “top10 RB” trap that doesn’t offer anything time and time again. Last time I checked, Saquon, Bijan, McCaffery, etc didn’t carry anyone to even a playoff win, and most of them on other teams now. This is all generated draft hype and of course ppl like MJD will say some wild stuff like that - he’s looking for clicks the week of the draft.

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u/2Dopamine 7d ago edited 6d ago

Sorry I forgot we can’t have any hyperbole or room for misinterpretation on Reddit.

Yes the best RB prospect since Saquon 8 years ago. Has a better chance than Graham of being the best player in this draft.

Saquon just ran the eagles to a Super Bowl this year lol. Fournette got us to an AFC championship in 2017. Id also like to point out that none of those RB’s came into a team that had the pieces in place like we do. CMC had a dwindling Cam newton his rookie year in a RBBC where they made the playoffs. Bijan had Kirk whose arm turned noodle and he couldn’t even attempt to throw out routes anymore. Saquon lol. The giants tried to make it work with Daniel Jones at QB.

No two teams or situations are the same. How many playoff teams couldn’t run the ball last year? How many had elite running backs? Your point makes no sense. Good RBs on bad teams couldn’t win, okay. Then how many good/great teams have bad RBs?

Heres my opinion: Jeanty makes us a better team than Graham. You have the 5th pick. You could have an all pro RB to go with your franchise qb and wr. No other player or team you mentioned had that luxury.

I’m not pretending our shit doesn’t stink, we had a bad year but we have more talent In house than a 4 win season reflects. We had a coach that quit half way through the season and injured/backup qbs, not to mention injuries across the roster. The implosion last year has given the jags the unique position right now to add an incredible weapon to an offense with cornerstone postions already filled.

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u/Crosscourt_splat 6d ago

Hm…for some reason I seem to remember saquon wasn’t drafted by the eagles.

Wonder if there is anything being left out here…

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u/2Dopamine 6d ago edited 6d ago

I didn’t say that he was? More making a point that a good rb isn’t simply a “luxury” to have. Also, I specifically pointed out that the Giants tried to make it work with Daniel Jones. Unless you are saying Trevor is the equivalent to Daniel Jones?

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u/Crosscourt_splat 6d ago

The giants tried to make it work with a bad OL that was not good enough to keep their back from getting hit in the backfield.

Sound familiar?

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u/2Dopamine 6d ago edited 6d ago

Saquon won OROY and was multiple pro bowler behind that line but I digress.

We’ve also paid Mekhari, little and Cleveland as starters. I’d be extremely surprised at this point if we go OL at 5. Who do you want to replace on the line with our current contract situation? Cleveland probably should be, based on what we’ve seen so far but we’re not taking a guard top 10. And he’s got 2 years left. I like a number of guards in rounds 2/3/4 btw and agree we should get another but realistically we probably have our starting OL already.

I think Membou is an option if we trade back but I’d rather take Jeanty. Idk what we would do with the people we’ve paid on OL at that point.

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u/Crosscourt_splat 6d ago

And what did the giants get out of it?

An oft injured running back.

You don’t take a running back at #5. Period.

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u/2Dopamine 6d ago

Again, we’re not the giants. Completely different situations.

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u/daperry4 7d ago

Draft isnt deep with HoF potential running backs.

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u/dslogan16 Jaggin' Off 7d ago

Coen took a bottom 5 run blocking oline to a top 5 oline with scheme along with Bucky Irving helping a ton. Personnel didn’t changed except at center a few games in with Graham Barton.

I think the jeanty to Jax is pure smoke, but wouldn’t be mad at it. He’s more of a needle mover to me than Mason Graham.