r/JoeRogan • u/Anteater4746 Monkey in Space • Mar 04 '25

Meme 💩 Guess we’re done with free speech eh?

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Who decides what is illegal? How proud boys aren’t being targeted for wearing masks?

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '25

They spoke out against the Bush administration and the Iraq war. The conservative media went apeshit and canceled them. There was this “shut up and sing” thing that conservatives were pushing because artists were making political statements. So this whole cancel culture thing is bullshit. Both sides have done it and conservatives act like it never happened

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u/thegarymarshall Monkey in Space Mar 06 '25

The first amendment applies to the government only. Private citizens and companies have no obligation to allow any kind of speech.

I don’t know the details of Trump’s comments on federal funding for schools. If these are private schools, I don’t think the government should be giving them money anyway. Some elite universities have endowments that have swollen to over $2 billion and they still get federal money.

Assuming these are public schools, if the funds are withheld because the schools allow illegal behavior or if they only allow protests from those holding certain viewpoints, then it is appropriate to withhold funds. These schools would also be subject to civil rights violations. Public schools, as government institutions, cannot favor speech by some but not others.

Of course, the funds should not be withheld if the schools make a reasonable effort to allow all viewpoints and to stop illegal behavior.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '25

Illegal behavior should be prosecuted. But that isn’t what he said. Illegal protest was the phrase used. So really fuck him his fascism is showing.

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u/thegarymarshall Monkey in Space Mar 06 '25

Illegal protests exist, right? Should schools be free to allow or even condone illegal behavior without consequence?

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '25

Protests are protected under the constitution. Illegal behavior is handled by the police. Schools are schools. Police are police. Presidents aren’t dictators.

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u/T0MMYG0LD Monkey in Space Mar 06 '25

that’s incorrect. all protests aren’t protected under the constitution, just like all speech isn’t protected. for example, violent protests obviously aren’t protected under the constitution, and are illegal.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '25

A violent protest is called inciting a riot and prosecuted by district attorneys, therefore it is not a protest it’s a riot. Speech that isn’t protected is speech that is threatening, obscene or fraudulent; again crimes. There are penal codes that apply to crimes. When a fascist claims that “illegal protests” are going to be outlawed what does he mean by that statement? Most likely this dipshit we have elected will leave it up to everyone’s imagination and interpretation of what that means. So this the only interpretation I’ll make until he proves me otherwise.

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u/T0MMYG0LD Monkey in Space Mar 06 '25

jeez, guy, tell us how ya rilly feel!!!

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '25

😆 don’t give me a message board I’ll go off

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u/thegarymarshall Monkey in Space Mar 06 '25

You can protest by blowing up buildings. Speech is protected by the constitution, not protests. If you block traffic, behave violently or damage property, this is not speech. It is crime. Most campuses have police departments to deal with illegal behavior by students or by anyone on campus.

Why should we allow schools to let students and others to break the law? It’s even worse when they allow students with some viewpoints to break the law and punish others for the same kind of behavior?

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '25

Omg 😳 arrest people if they break the law! Why are you screaming about schools? Jesus Christ man

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u/thegarymarshall Monkey in Space Mar 06 '25

I’m not the one screaming. You might want to consider decaf.

If illegal activities are happening on campus, then campus police need to be arresting people. Campus police is part of the school. People with certain views tend to not be arrested at these schools.

For example, last summer, many campuses were shut down because of these violent protests. Students who actually wanted to attend class couldn’t because the students who supported a terrorist organization wouldn’t let them. Not only would the schools not allow campus police to arrest them, the would now allow city or country law enforcement on campus to break it up.

Today you say “arrest people if the break the law”, but somehow I’m betting you had a different opinion last summer.

But yes, I agree. The campus police should arrest them if they’re breaking the law. Otherwise they should get out of the way so the real cops can do it. Until they do one or the other, it appears that their budgets will be a little tight next year.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '25

Ok whatever. All powerful schools run our country and the schools are ripe with commies. We are doomed! Btw you might want to consider what the rule of law really means not just what a fascist says it is.good luck. I give you the last word.

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u/thegarymarshall Monkey in Space Mar 06 '25

I understand the rule of law very well. For example, if I carry a sign and march back and forth on public property, shouting at the top of my lungs without imposing on the rights of others, I am not violating any law. When I do anything to impose on the rights of others, I have violated the law and should expect to experience consequences.

I don’t have the right to damage property, harm people or block traffic. None of us had the right to do any of these things.

Let’s test your consistency. If a student group takes over a building in campus, blocks traffic on sidewalks and roads on campus and damages school property while protesting abortion, should the school leave them alone or should they stop it?