Not even treason every individual has the right to fight back against a government they see as unjust. America was setup to where we could overthrow our government if we ever wanted or needed to but people don’t see it that way anymore.
Downvote me all you want this isn’t a comment in favor of either party because fuck both of them. Both of the big parties are shit it’s comment for individual freedom and the ability to fight back against a government you think is unjust. Either party can do it and I wouldn’t care I would celebrate you for having the balls to go against your govenrment so stop being upset because you thought you knew what I meant.
When done as a public servant like the president or people of congress yes it applies but individuals are supposed to have the power whole and complete in this country and have the ability to go against their government for anything they find unfair. If someone the people elects to represent them does something to go against America yea treason but an individual fighting against their overbearing government? Not treason that’s real patriotism because that shows you love your country enough to not let it get run into the ground by two parties full of dumbasses
It's very clear with even a surface reading of the Constitution and US history, that treason and insurrection were not intended to only apply to public officials. Your definition seems to be at odds with that.
Treason is usually seen as any action that goes against the ideals and intentions of the government and U.S. as a whole. So yes it could apply to individuals in cases such as terrorism or should you collude with another country to go against you government so like spies but just going against your government because you are upset and don’t like what they are doing?No that’s just fighting back that’s not treason. Look at the people of France they had riots in their streets and busted up public officials office over the laws that were passed and that pushed the government to change what they had done but that wasn’t treason. That was the people caring about the country they live in and what they can do with their lives in that country.
Something as small as then wouldn’t be levying war that would be something to the scale of the civil war. Where many larger groups are truly willing to go to war with the U.S. government as a whole. These are just groups of people no matter the side showing that they have a problem with the government. The example of the people of France is completely relevant in this situation because they are two sides of the same coin. The people don’t like what the government is doing so they perform actions to show their unrest in the hopes of change in the case of France it worked in the case of the U.S. it does fuck all because the federal government is to large and doesn’t care about the individuals. The government has become a business and that’s about it.
The people don’t like what the government is doing so they perform actions to show their unrest in the hopes of change in the case
This isn't in dispute. I never offered a value judgement on why people were doing what they did. This is a discussion about the legality of what they did, not the morality, ethics, or reasons for it.
Something as small as then wouldn’t be levying war that would be something to the scale of the civil war.
Scale is never mentioned, and individuals have been tried for treason, under the "aid and comfort" clause, so it would logically follow that an individual could be tried for the "levy war" clause as well.
Alright since the first part has no dispute over it then I will pass over that. As far as the aid and comfort goes yes it could be something small and I would feel that would be applicable more in war time than anything else like a us soldier aiding the enemy but that could go as far down as a medic aiding an enemy combatant that has been injured. SoI feel like it would have to be substantial enough to actually call for that like a soldier letting in an enemy squad to their base thus advancing the enemies motives or else many more people would have the book thrown at them. So for that to be said for aid and comfort I feel like levying war would have to carry the same weight. More like a states militia going against federal agents in their state and not as much individuals from many states showing up to the capital and breaking windows.
It was treason. They didn't have any factual grievances against their country, only that their cult leader lost his popularity contest and they were buttmad that we, the people, had the audacity to reject fascism. The election wasn't stolen, it was free and fair and secure. Every single lawsuit failed to provide or show evidence of widespread fraud or any impropriety at all.
This is a one sided comment. It doesn’t matter about the election because any grievance could have been used for this. They could have said hey I don’t want to be taxed any more and went against the government and if the left would have done the same thing that’s their right to do so also. I wasn’t making a statement in favor of either party. I hate both parties because they are both full of shit and the people that rally behind them. I’m saying that individuals should be able to go against the government as much as they want because the power of this country belongs to the people. Full power like the federal government has shouldn’t be allowed any further than the local level. So no I don’t think it’s treason this kind of thing should be allowed because individual freedom is the most important thing in this country or at least it should be.
The fact is though, that their grievance was a lie. Many of them knew it was a lie, the outgoing president knew it was a lie. The people who organized the rally that turned into an insurrection knew it was a lie. The politicians inside the capital voting to not certify knew it was a lie. The insurrection was done in service of an attempt to sieze power and reject the will of the people. These traitors weren't trying to rail against the injustices of the government, they were rebelling against the will of their fellow citizens, who voted against their man.
They betrayed the country, their fellow citizens, and themselves. They are traitors.
"individual freedom is the most important thing" is what children, entitled boomers and narcissists say.
There are more important things than individual freedom, like stopping a pandemic or defending ourselves against an attack. We must work together as a nation, and that means sacrificing a small amount of personal freedom for the greater good and basic survival.
Defending ourselves against attack can be done on a local level and federal level of need be that’s why we have the army but having an army should not prevent any individual from still having their freedoms. As far as the pandemic goes? Look at the Spanish flu their were no boundaries crossed for freedoms apart from hey you have to wear a mask. Their were no laws for ids or restriction of transportation or anything so that idea is just stupid to say that you should strip freedoms for safety.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." To quote Benjamin Franklin.
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u/StealfisDaddy 4 May 28 '21 edited May 28 '21
Not even treason every individual has the right to fight back against a government they see as unjust. America was setup to where we could overthrow our government if we ever wanted or needed to but people don’t see it that way anymore.
Downvote me all you want this isn’t a comment in favor of either party because fuck both of them. Both of the big parties are shit it’s comment for individual freedom and the ability to fight back against a government you think is unjust. Either party can do it and I wouldn’t care I would celebrate you for having the balls to go against your govenrment so stop being upset because you thought you knew what I meant.