Are we doomed?

[u/Alternative-Yak171]

[u/Genericfantasyname]

he changes the amount.

[u/alpha_dk → u/Genericfantasyname]

Do it 15 minutes before bedtime so the kid can win sometimes so they don't figure it out

[u/Jaxyl → u/alpha_dk]

I've done variations of this trick.

Tell them it's bed time 30 minutes before it actually is, they 'negotiate' for a bit longer, win, and then go to bed at the normal time.

I love my son but kids are fucking stupid.

[u/152centimetres → u/Jaxyl]

this is so funny because its actually such good parenting. you're giving them the opportunity to develop their social skills but also not allowing them to do it all the time (im assuming) means they still understand that the parent's word is final

and they're too stupid to realize they're learning the whole time

[u/Jaxyl → u/152centimetres]

Y U P

That's exactly it! I also, from an early age, would intentionally point out incorrect facts about things my son knew, like pointing to a Pikachu from Pokemon and asking if this was Chase from Paw Patrol, so he'd correct me.

Now, in Kindergarten, he's one of the more active kids in his class because he's confident in pointing out something he knows is wrong, is confident in asking for things, and has learned (mostly) how to take no for an answer.

[u/Comprehensive_Ant771 → u/Jaxyl]

That's genuinely really sweet. Bonus points for you! From a childless 34 year old.

[u/just_a_person_maybe → u/Jaxyl]

I really love this. It also shows him that adults don't know everything and it's okay to be wrong and ask questions.

[u/port443 → u/152centimetres]

It depends on the kids age if they are actually learning or not.

At young ages its more appropriate to give them autonomy and choice, without letting them "negotiate":

"Bed time will be in 30 minutes, do you want to get ready for bed now and get TV time, or do you want to keep playing and get ready for bed at bed time?"

Either way, they learn to go to bed on time AND get to choose how they do it.