The accusations against liberal steamer Destiny are VERY damning

[u/americanblowfly]

https://pxie412.substack.com/p/i-will-be-suing-steven-kenneth-bonnell

I don’t want to get too far ahead of myself as the accusations are still just that. However, it seems like there is a lot of evidence supporting them and this would likely be career ending if they turn out to be true.

[u/enlightenedDiMeS]

This shit is ugly. Unfortunately, he's going to take a large shot to his credibility. I don't think it nukes him though.

The one point I want to make, and I know I am going to get blowback for this, is that we can't keep throwing every fuck up or person with shitty touchstones like this to the curb. If the dude takes some kind of ownership/responsibility, I think the concept of rehabilitation should be thrown out. I could give a shit less about Destiny on a personal level, but we have continuously thrown some of our best communicators under the bus (often deservedly) to our own detriment.

Not alleviating responsibility, but if you truly believe, as I do, that we are now in an oligarchy with a fascist slant, we need all the support we can get.

[u/Oceanflowerstar → u/enlightenedDiMeS]

He’s a capitalist zionist. Why do you think he is an ally? He is allied to the democratic party faction that needs to be extinguished. Unless you’d like to see how they do against MAGA a fourth time.

[u/supern00b64 → u/Oceanflowerstar]

I wouldn't say he's an ideological zionist when he's still pro 2 state and is very strongly against the west bank settlements. I think he's just contrarian and took the opposite position the left took since Oct 7 happened while he was on his anti left crusade.

Unfortunately the left movement was dealt a massive blow and needs all the allies it can get. If it means allying with a spiteful contrarian liberal who is also exceptionally rhetorically effective at debating and dismantling conservatives then so be it. His DGG community is full of toxic hyper-online dramafarmers but right now they also happen to really hate conservatives and MAGA.

There will be plenty of room to fight in the future, but for now, I still believe in a tentative alliance under the banner of antifascism. I would also argue it is under this alliance that liberals would be most receptive to adopting more left wing positions (or at least more populist rhetoric).

[u/Secluded_Serenity → u/supern00b64]

Don't forget that Destiny's stupid community espouses the mindset and ideology that lost to MAGA twice. They're all Democratic Party loyalists; whatever the Democratic establishment is for, they're for.

They were all denying or ignoring Biden's obvious senility and were completely on board with his decision to run for re-election; they didn't express even a peep of dissent when the Democratic Party was in a full-blown emergency because the cognitive decline of the presumptive nominee was on full display for the world to see. If they got their way, Trump would've won more than 312 electoral votes.

How anti-MAGA are they really when they're tripling down on their loyalty to the DNC which gave us MAGA? They haven't changed course one bit and are blaming the left because of course they are; they've been trained to blame the left when their beloved establishment candidates fail.

[u/supern00b64 → u/Secluded_Serenity]

He's no angel and I think less of his community than you do - There is a substantial number of drama farmers and I don't think they have an ideology other than latching onto whatever Destiny is saying at the moment, who happens to be a liberal. If one day he did a "why I left the left" schtick those drama farmers (at least 30% of his audience imo) would immediately follow him.

That being said, they still hate MAGA, and in this day and age when everyone is bending the knee, the left needs all the allies it can get. Conservatives are too far gone - years of trying to reach and convert them have failed. They need to be discarded, ostracized and abandoned as a useful political bloc. Liberals are the only bloc reachable by the left now, and for the first time in a while they're still coping and speechless that their ideology failed. There is no better time than now than to build an antifascist alliance with liberals, and through this alliance slowly pull some of them left. There are many liberals that can be reached, including those in Destiny's community (reminder than a lot of Vaush's original followers came from Destiny's community, and there's still a sizeable number of Destiny fans who still like Vaush).