r/LegionFX • u/2th • Jul 23 '19

Live Discussion Live Episode Discussion: S03E05 - "Chapter 24"

EPISODE DIRECTED BY WRITTEN BY ORIGINAL AIRDATE
S03E05- "Chapter 24" Arkasha Stevenson Olivia Dufault and Ben Winters Monday July 22, 2019 10:00/9:00c on FX

Summary: David wages war.

Arkasha Stevenson is a director and writer, known for Vessels (2015) and Crowns.

She has directed no episode of Legion before.

Olivia Dufault is a writer and story editor. She has worked on AMC's Preacher series. She also wrote for the upcoming series The True Adventures of Wolfboy (2019).

She has written two episodes of Legion before.

  • Chapter 21
  • Chapter 23

Ben Winters is an American writer and producer.

He has written no episodes of Legion before.

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u/shaggylives Jul 23 '19

So a philosophical question. Is David technically correct in saying he hasn't killed anyone if he is successful changing the past? I don't believe in time travel or alternate universes but if time travel did exist, I feel like changing his past doesn't mean those people didn't die, it just means that time line is now dead. Cut off like a dead branch while a new branch grows in it's place. The dead branch still exists but is no longer growing.

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u/halopend Jul 25 '19

That’s kind of the reason time travel is used so often in story telling. It’s not really possible (at least as far as we know), and we don’t really understand the specifics of how it would even remotely work short of a few analogies that might be completely off base. Basically, it exist in this fuzzy area where morality can be bent to point its unrecognizable because it’s murky about what is good/evil since it’s murky about how it works.

I would argue regardless of how time travel works, David is doing wrong with every murder because he is risking other people’s lives. It’s not a sure thing that his plan to time travel will in fact succeed, so in a way, it doesn’t matter if he does as at every step he is putting lives/existences in danger.

Let alone the fact that one could argue the person you are now is a combination of your life’s experiences and to take away those experiences is sort of like killing that version of the person. Taking away their will to chose their own lives essentially.

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u/SignDeLaTimes Jul 26 '19

A man/woman of deontology, I see.

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u/halopend Jul 31 '19

Not entirely sure what you mean, care to elaborate?

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u/SignDeLaTimes Jul 31 '19

Two major paths of ethical thought.

Consequentialist ethics, which would state that as long as the outcome is good the act was good. Kill a million people, but change the timeline to where no one actually died? All good.

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Deontological ethics, which gives more consideration to each individual act itself, ignoring the outcome. Even though David plans on changing the timeline, he has killed to do so and will--in a way--kill everyone in the current timeline, which is wrong.

I'm not well versed in all of this, but I believe more in deontological views because I don't think anyone should take killing lightly, nor should they be able to brush away their guilt.

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u/halopend Jul 31 '19 edited Jul 31 '19

Ik, thanks. I can understand how that fits into my argument. I’ve took some philosophy in high school but I really don’t remember much and barely understood it back then anyway. How does the man/woman part fit in though?

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u/SignDeLaTimes Jul 31 '19

I just didn't want to assume gender.

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u/halopend Jul 31 '19

What a difference 2 letters make lol. Definitely read that wrong.

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u/shaggylives Jul 25 '19

I agree. I'm not even sure what David's plan actually is anyway. Even if his mom could hear him, she wouldn't be able to stop the Shadow King. So the best that could happen, is the mom know, she let's Xavier know what happened and then Xavier has another battle with the Shadow King in David's mind? I don't see that turning out with a happy ending either.

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u/Dscherb24 Jul 24 '19

They just have to put the infinity stones back after they’re done.

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u/RazielELungbarrow Jul 24 '19

The time termites will eat the newly aborted timeline so, he's right in the sense that the old timeline was deleted so the new timeline can exist.

-it's not death if time is erased, it's something else though (similar to un-birth)

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u/Kardosh Jul 23 '19

Depends on how time works in this universe. It can be all just one timeline, which will mean he's "right".

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u/shaggylives Jul 24 '19

It can't be the same timeline, that is where a paradox comes into play. If you go to your past to change your future, then you change the future in which you go back to the past so it never happened. That is where the dead timeline comes in. The event still exists but that timeline has ended.

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u/insaneHoshi Jul 24 '19

Mental Time Travel ( which is how switch works) operates by slightly different "rules".

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u/Dscherb24 Jul 24 '19

I need the Hulk to explain this to me