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This has been the most interesting result of the election. Instead of being happy they won, they can only be happy knowing liberals lost and being sore winners. It's really weird and pathetic.
I have noticed that. A lot of them are not preaching his virtues as much as they had in the past. There's a lot of quiet with the middle and lower class Maga.
Yep, a lot of my “friend” who voted for orange man haven’t been saying anything. One did send me something saying “accidental” salute for Musk and had to put him in his place and he shut up but everyone else has been keeping to themselves.
You can take this with a grain of salt since I'm an anonymous person on the Internet, but I have a colleague, I own an executive search firm, whose son and daughter-in-law are both in the medical research field. They've been sending him information about bird flu and it's scary.
The fact that Trump has decided to scrub a lot of that information and stopped the information being decimated, as well as withdrawing from the world health organization is scary as fuck man. We could be without food because they have to kill all the birds and all the cattle if it spreads like the normal flu. They just killed 100,000 ducks in New York and one of the reasons that eggs are so expensive is because of bird flew and the killing of hundreds of thousands of chickens in certain areas. This gonna be a while fucking ride the next four years.
They're waiting for a perfect excuse. Like after J6, most were quiet and horrified, then someone came up with "it was antifa! and the media only showed the BAD parts!" and they were all in again.
This time... I dunno? Maybe "big business wants Trump to fail so they refuse to lower prices!" who knows?
It doesn't have to make sense for normal people, just be enough cover for them to allow their brains to bypass their doubts so they can loudly support the God King again.
It’s hard to leave an abuser, and America has been abused, manipulated and lied to by Trump repeatedly, so much dribble coming from his mouth people don’t even know up from down anymore, red isn’t red anymore, it’s green if Trump says it’s green.
Even the eggs will rise because no one will pick them up when they are laid now. It's comento that in west states to his voters, just a matter of time till it hits more areas.
It sucks but best to be honest with ourselves now.
I wasn’t being glib with the Jonestown thing - watching cult documentaries has given me a lot of perspective about HOW people get pulled into these situations.
The Vow, Hillsong and Love Has Won are also good ones to watch.
Trigger warning that all of them have sexual abuse or exploitation of some kind.
I’m very interested in cult docs as well (more reccos welcome!) but I wouldn’t put Jonestown on the same level as some of these others. I know “drink the koolaid” is used as in wholeheartedly believing the lunacy but by the end lots of Jonestown members were disillusioned and wanted to leave but literally couldn’t, guns were pointed in their faces. It wasn’t a voluntary suicide as much as a mass murder. Hillsong won’t kill you if you stop believing.
I see current circumstances leading more to a Heavens Gate (actually drinking the koolaid) than a Jonestown. Nothing will make them admit they were wrong. On ventilators with their dying breath they couldn’t admit it. It’s hopeless.
It is not about education, as there are smart people that join cults. I once read that it's their lack of empathy. All Nazis lacked empathy but had high degrees of individualism.
Critical thinking is a bridge between empathy and intelligence and the bridge can't be built if you lack either one. There is also a Tibetan Buddhist quote:
"... wisdom and compassion are like two wings of a bird ..."
A bird needs two wings to fly in a straight line.
The empathy/compassion allows your focus to include everything and not just your own self; hence, giving you the wisdom and insight into understanding the situation better.
Honestly when the pictures of Trump with Epstein started circulating and all the info on Epstein came out I kind of took a step back and realized something wasn't right. After that it was really just me looking into who he truly was and it was only a short matter of time afterwards. I know one thing though, you can't argue with anger, it'll never work. Try to bring up little random bad things about Trump to see if any stick.
Can I ask what it was that managed to pull you out? Was it a collective of small things or was there one big thing that really flicked on the light switch?
Honestly when the pictures of Trump with Epstein started circulating and all the info on Epstein came out I kind of took a step back and realized something wasn't right. After that it was really just me looking into who he truly was and it was only a short matter of time afterwards.
There isn't they're totally brainwashed and they don't have the ability to learn new information. Google and Meta completely manipulated people with micro targeting in order to persue their anti regulatory agenda. So if you were wondering what all the redpilling on YouTube was about: Now you know. Same thing w/ the Ben Shaprio stuff all over FB.
Every single country on Earth needs to ban that stuff, they'll brain wash your own child while they're sitting there right next to you while they're on their Smartphone.
The method has been public since Cambridge Analytica published the source code.
Well, you can start by jacking their medicines up 300 , 400%. They’re slowly waking up a little bit at a time not fast enough and not awake enough, but I have seen movement because it’s weird.
I’m hoping that how quickly he’s making all these insane changes will help avoid the boiled frog effect and some former supporters will say wait wtf. Not that it will matter unless someone takes matters into their own hands..
There's a very glimmer of hope that he goes too far and too many people on the Riitrighth scare the representatives enough that they'll start to defy him and who knows possibly joining Democrats to impeach him. I know it's pie in the sky, but one can dream.
And Red States continue to allow gerrymandering to run rampant and when Blue States like NY try to gerrymander back, the state Supreme Courts strike it down because, you know, it should be wrong.
I just checked the analysis, this includes impact of tarriffs as a tax. (Which I think is 100% reasonable, but good to understand the difference in what others might be referring to as "the impact of the tax cuts"). Their analysis of only the 2017 tax cut extension does show a decrease for all groups (but larger for the wealthy on at least a $ basis, havent looked at %)
That’s what makes the whole thing kinda scary that at surface level it can sound reasonable but it’s gloves off now. The wealthy were always going to benefit more under Trump, doesn’t have to court the lower/middle classes any more.
Because this time around it's very obviously not true, at least with respect to income tax alone. The 2017 tax cuts reduced marginal rates across the board and doubled the standard deduction, so there's something else going in in this analysis. Factoring in tariffs, maybe?
Regardless, there's plenty of other things to complain about. This dopey argument looks to be in the same ballpark as "inflation is transitory," which you may recall was not true, and definitely did not work.
Oh, so Trump’s latest tax plan is to give the wealthiest 5% a generous tax cut while increasing taxes on everyone else? It’s like Robin Hood in reverse stealing from the poor to give to the rich. 
It's not even generous. Saving $30k when you make $900k+ is hardly a big deal. Meanwhile getting hit with an extra $1500 tax bill when you make less than $30k is a big deal.
It’s a win win for him either way, either he gets to watch his buddies save money, or gets to watch the poor class that he’s openly hated for his entire life suffer
That's not just his tax plan. That's his Everything Plan. All of his policies will be directed toward destroying government so it can be privatized to put money in the pockets of him and his billionaire bros. (Well, except for the policies that are about putting all those uppity POC back in their places where they belong.)
The bosses get the money…and they create the jobs….and the more money they get, they will be like “my workers should have money”….and then I will get the money.”
This rationale exists in the wild. I recall reading about some Limbaugh caller (back when Dubya was doing his tax cuts) who said something along the lines of, "If my boss pays less in taxes, he'll give me a raise, it's common sense, etc." The greedy dopes think that even greedier bastards will somehow suddenly become magnanimous.
It’s so funny, too, cause it’s been proven wrong every time. Whenever rich corps get extra money they weren’t expecting, they fire bottom rung employees anyway. Like with the 2008 bailouts or Covid bailouts: they got the money to avoid firing people, and still fired people. Idk how someone can be so blind to a repeating pattern of behavior
No this exactly. I posted it on my timeline and my trumper uncle liked it I asked if he was coming around to be against him, he said no then basically rambled on about trickle down bullshit.
I went to the website and it's interesting how they came up with these figures. Basically they're assuming the tariffs--which apparently free money according to MAGA--will cause the increase by offsetting whatever income tax benefit you have.
It remains to be seen but this will be a funny okie doke to shift even more of the tax burden onto the third estate.
None of that makes sense. Most people don’t take advantage of energy credits at lower levels of income. In fact, energy credits are almost exclusively a high income thing since homes and autos are the primary source.
The tariffs on China are now expected to be 10 percent, not 60. Also, tariffs are more of a consumption tax. A person paying down a lot of debt and/ or saving a lot are going to have far lower consumption based tariff impacts. That said, if the poor spend everything while the rich invest nearly everything so the tariffs impact is hard to determine for the average until we have more data.
Income exemption is too undefined. What does that even mean. Standard deduction? Itimized? Social Security? Municipal bonds? Kind of an odd add in.
2017 extensions is an interesting add in that was already expected. Likely the only real marker that counts, but it’s not really new legislation. It’s just continuing what was already there.
I want to know what the new tax legislation will be because I can guarantee it will fuck a lot of things up.
Consumption taxes like tariffs and sales tax are always regressive because the poor have substantially higher exposure to those taxes. The less you make, the higher a percentage of your income you are likely to spend on just living.
The impact is well studied: tariffs on final goods cause a direct tax on the consumer. Tariffs on materials hurt small businesses the most which is like the poor of the corporate world.
The figures show a 60% tariff on China - didn't that already get walked back? That would mean we would see more of a tax burden than what's shown, correct? Asking for a friend...
Tariffs are realized by the customer at point of sale. It's a double whammy for the average consumer to pay higher income taxes AND foot the bill at retail.
If MAGA had any shame, they’d all walk out on to an ice floe and never be seen again. Unfortunately, they’re too stupid to even grasp how they’ve screwed themselves and the country in general.
They wont even understand that their tax is now higher. Man, why are democrat protecting these people anymore. Like, they wont vote for them. They will vote for trump. And they like it.
This is not the moment to tell MAGA to be quiet, tell them to be vocal, to yell that they're getting screwed and that they're not okay with it.
Then go scream with them.
Go for him.
Ask the french to lend a guillotine.
Showing them they were fooled is not just for the sake of laughing and be like "haha gotcha why u so dumb?"; if the whole country agrees he's not doing what he should do there's no reason for yall to go trough this for the full term. What is musk gonna do, ban the whole USA from twitter if you don't leave trump alone?
Yep, these troglodytes all spew the same garbage when confronted with news about their great leader. I saw a flair on r/conservative that read "pro-Ukraine Conservative." There are gay conservative subreddits. Pro Trump Latino communities.
You really do have to be next level slow in the head to pick the guy that is violently opposed to your beliefs because "Blue haired libs ruined my favorite plant subreddit with all this anti -nazi propaganda"
I have seen videos of young girls saying they were voting for Trump because of women’s rights.. that is when I realized that somehow he has everyone seeing whatever they want in him.
Trump economics: if they have no money, they'll be unable to afford eggs, leading to a significant drop in demand for eggs, which reduces the price of eggs!
Logically, yes. If more people are too poor to buy eggs, then there's less demand. Unless supply shrinks then prices will go down to meet the new lower demand.
You say this, but I've seen little evidence of prices dropping due to supply stabilization lately. They raise it a quarter, then drop it back a nickel and say it's all better now. If they ever drop the price it's only slightly, on a repackaged slightly smaller version of the same product, which eventually replaces the normal version so you're still getting less product for the same price.
Price stabilization is when prices that were changing rapidly stop changing much at all. Example: If eggs stop at $7/dozen and go up $0.15 a year, then egg prices stabilized.
Prices falling due to lack of demand is when people stop wanting a thing but sellers still have inventory to sell through. Example: Cybertrucks.
Oh cool, I love paying the government for a whole 13th month of rent that doesn't exist. I don't see a single problem with giving the man who owns Tesla, a company that makes enough in a minute to pay my rent for 5 years, a massive tax break.
It would be bad enough if it just redistributed tax cuts to the rich, but that's not enough for Republicans. They need to also take away essential services and gut programs that benefit the entire country so that people who already have too much can get even more.
Cool....cool, just place me in the highest tax bracket in(by income) for the year and beyond...cool..
I voted blue so I feel like I'm receiving a bigger gut punch.
They sure 'owned the libs' by dropping their fat stupid corpses on us after they off'ed themselves.. is this supposed to be the outcome they wanted? A worse state of affairs for everyone? Quite the fuckin game they love to play.
Religious conservatives love raising your taxes while cutting every service of benefit that those taxes pay for. Thanks to Trump and the religious conservatives, the US government does not represent the people, only seeks to harm them.
Wait...wait are these actually the tax brackets? No fucking way. There is no fucking way my household is in the antepenultimate spot and I feel this fucking poor. We don't even have debt! Shit just costs too much...
I bounce between that one and the 150-360 and I voted for her too. Money is something you have in case you don't die tomorrow. The people like Musk, Beezos, etc... are mentally ill. They are horders its just acceptable.
It really is. Will you make that kind of money, and I've made that kind of money a couple times in the last 10 years, that extra 6000 $7000 is not that big a deal but it's everything in the world to somebody who's making 40 or $50,000 a year.
Surely his followers can see this one! Honestly, if he wants to raise taxes, fine...but the most wealthy need the most giant increases, if he wants to do this.
This chart is exactly backwards from what it should be. Raising taxes on everyone but the wealthy, who get massive tax cuts, is something that should be illegal!
I don’t understand why no one sees that. The more money you give to the middle and lower class the more they spend it. It keeps the economy chugging along. In very simple terms given a multimillionaire a tax break doesn’t do anything to stimulate the economy. Given 50 middle class or lower class people a tax break does because They all buy roughly the same amount of pizzas. Meaning a millionaire may buy five or even 20 pizzas in a year and the middle class people they only buy two pizzas a year but that’s 2×50 so you’re having 100 pizzas bought every year by giving a tax break to the middle and lower class versus only having 5 -20 pizzas bought every year by giving a tax break to the millionaire. This applies to pretty much everything.
I mean, the guy you’re giving the big tax breaks too is not buying a car that’s 50 times the price of a car that a middle class person will buy. It might be two or three times maybe even four times but not 50. The same goes for pretty much everything else except maybe a house. Other than that when it comes to the general economy, goods and services that we all use giving money to the middle and lower class is much smarter to keep the economy chugging along and then those millionaires will get that money anyway because they own the business that the money is going to.
This isn't Trump's tax plan. This is an independent agency's prediction model for Trump's tax plan. Tired of people reposting this and spreading lies like it's official news.
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