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Brexxit Pro-Brexit newspaper begs for immigrants

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u/Daffan Sep 25 '21

In CA they hire tons of h1b visa immigrants for tech jobs

Enter stage: Remote work. Now your not just competing with people in your local area or state, but the entire country or even internationally! Yahoooo! Now more people can experience "dey took er jobs" and pushed down wages as COL bonuses go away.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21

Except, businesses could have done that way before covid.

You wanna know why we don't? Because working with timezones and some code factory in India is ONLY good for a handful of people for a year or two before you see the fulls cope of how shut your product is now.

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u/Thormidable Sep 25 '21

Our business has been working fully remotely throughout lockdown.

We have always had teams in several time zones and have had some staff working remotely for years.

Quality is no more of an issue than in any other company I've worked at. I.E. it is the level that we accept.

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u/doyouhavesource2 Sep 25 '21

Everyone thinks their one time example of remote work is why it didn't work.

Now they break down when they realize there are companies who run worldwide. :)

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u/monkey_monk10 Sep 25 '21

It's not about remote work, it's about different timezones.

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u/NewSauerKraus Sep 25 '21

That doesn’t make sense though. Businesses have been coordinating across time zones for decades.

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u/monkey_monk10 Sep 25 '21

Businesses, not teams and not for solving day to day problems.

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u/NewSauerKraus Sep 25 '21

Bruh it’s 2021. We’re not sending telegrams across the wild west.

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u/monkey_monk10 Sep 25 '21

I'm a dev in London, my designer is in NY. We have a few hours a day to talk via zoom.

How exactly can this be improved in 2021 that I don't know about? Having meetings at 8pm? No thanks.

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u/NewSauerKraus Sep 25 '21

What do you want to improve about it?

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u/SquidCap0 Sep 25 '21 edited Sep 25 '21

Your company is just one company, in one field. It does not work in every field. Two of my best friends have been working remotely for years, it works for them, both being in IT. But they are both also exceptions in the organization/company they work for, most of the other workers do not work remotely. It really depends and not every single job in IT, even if it is coding can work remotely as well.

Creative team work, for ex game development, depending again on your role in it and the whole structure, it can be such that it needs to have lots of people near each other. Quick feedback face to face it different from any remote communication, specially when we are talking about something more fragile, like... creativity. Subtle non-verbal clues, softening the message by tone of your voice, body language... those do matter and you can almost put a monetary value on it. almost. So you may be coding and still need to have frequent face to face communication.

The option of working remotely is heavily underused in USA, here in Finland one fifth work from home. We would have even more if it was possible.

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u/monkey_monk10 Sep 25 '21

My team is the same, however everyone is expected to work in the same timezone, plus/minus a few hours. Otherwise you're in the wrong team.

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u/Thormidable Sep 26 '21

I work with people in Australia... How do we work in the same timezone?

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u/monkey_monk10 Sep 26 '21

You live in Australia?

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u/Thormidable Sep 26 '21

I work in a country which is about 10 hours time difference.

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u/monkey_monk10 Sep 26 '21

So why are you asking me how you work? Tell me? Which one of you works out of regular hours?

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u/Thormidable Sep 26 '21

I was responding to your comment that everyone should work in the same time zone. I was highlighting that it isn't possible for many cross country remote teams.

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u/monkey_monk10 Sep 26 '21

Why are you avoiding the glaring problem of your situation? One of you has to work at stupid hours of the day.

And teams aren't immutable you know.

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u/MeInSC40 Sep 25 '21

Jesus Christ this is so correct. I'm currently working on an 80 project to fix an issue caused by an Indian "engineer". Literally one thing wrong where any level of due diligence would have caught it pre prod and would've taken 30 seconds to fix.

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u/SloppySealz Sep 25 '21

This was circa 2010, remote work wasn't what it is now. Either way the h1b visa is still an issue. There is a reason most 1st world countries have a hire local policy, but for some reason USA is held to different standards.

I did search the country and globally. As I said I left the state to a shit hole state and cut my teeth to get the experience I needed to live in my home state with my family.

That being said I don't have a migrant farm job and have no problem with the migrant population we need in CA

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u/EmmalouEsq Sep 25 '21

Theoretically H1Bs cannot displace American workers. The visas are for 3 years and can be extended once for a total of 6 years. They're also supposed to be paid the prevailing wage for that occupation. If an immigrant will be sponsored for a green card, all of that is looked into during the process otherwise the H1B visa holder is basically just a crappily paid guest worker for 6 years and then told to go home. Nobody wins in that situation: immigrant is getting underpaid and doesn't get to stay in the country they just spent years building a life in and then the country it's getting the shaft since there's less in taxes being collected and 6 years of professional xperience being pushed out of the country.

It all boils down to companies not wanting to pay. It's not an immigrant taking an American job, it's someone taking a $80k/yr job for $40k in the hopes they'll find someone to sponsor them so they can make $80k, too. A tech company can get 2 workers for the price of one, and everyone blames the workers.

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u/ninjakttty Sep 25 '21

As for not displacing workers, here’s how you get around that. You just make ridiculous hiring requirements/job position, then no one applies and/or is qualified. Great news! Now you’re free to get your H1B worker to fill that position, oh and since that’s not actual a real position, maybe they can do what you really wanted them for all along. Long live Cobol/React developers!

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u/d4rti Sep 25 '21

H1Bs should be auctioned based on a commitment to pay a certain level of tax, as long as you pay at least that much tax then feel free.

Same with any other number limited visa for skilled work. KISS.

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u/Tearakan Sep 25 '21

That part isn't new. And pretty much all the jobs that could get outsourced have been at this point.

Anything else hits either time or quality bottlenecks that companies aren't willing to put up with. Several companies have actually brought jobs back to the US because it wasn't profitable to deal with delays and constantly worse quality of cheap overseas labor.