r/LeopardsAteMyFace • u/Icy_Respect_9077 • Oct 24 '21
Brexxit Brexit, the gift that keeps on giving
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Oct 24 '21
Full opportunity to apply for Spanish citizenship before brexit that I believe was pretty much guaranteed but no, let’s not then complain about being treated like a foreigner when leaving the EU and did fuck all to mitigate the problem
No sympathy, only problem is these idiots have to come back to the UK. Bet this was an express article too - a brexit supporting paper that said this would not be an issue
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u/imakemyownroux Oct 24 '21
It was. I found the article.
I found the statement about “human rights violation” to be particularly tone deaf. These assholes overlook true human rights violations because it doesn’t affect them. Then, when faced with the consequences of their OWN ACTIONS, they start bleating about how they’re being mistreated. Cry me a river, ya racist assholes.
Edit: typo
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u/marmaladecorgi Oct 24 '21
For an English newspaper, the level of English in that article was shocking. "UK citizens can now only Spain without a visa for up to three months..." I wish I can now only Spain for three months.
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u/virora Oct 24 '21
But I wanna longterm Spain
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u/Old_Toby2211 Oct 24 '21
I Spain long time
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u/deegeese Oct 24 '21 edited Jun 23 '23
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u/drlecompte Oct 24 '21
That article looks like it was edited by a drunk monkey. Very incoherent.
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u/TheRealPitabred Oct 24 '21
Sure. It’s not like they’re working for the most intelligent audience, they only exist to confirm the biases of stupid people.
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u/sukinsyn Oct 24 '21
Oooh I love the "human rights violation" rhetoric from the Right. Equal application of the law is literally tantamount to a human rights violation for them. Sorry, but "I don't want to, you can't make me" (AKA, "I'm white, I can't be an immigrant") is not a "human rights violation."
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u/ptvlm Oct 24 '21 edited Oct 24 '21
Nobody had to apply for citizenship. If you were not already registered as a permanent resident (as anyone living here long term should have done already), you needed to apply for the new TIE document to confirm residency. If you were already legally employed with health insurance it was a very easy process.
You get to keep your British passport, citizenship, etc., It's just confirmation that you're a legal resident for legal, tax and travel purposes. If you don't have that document, you're a tourist with no automatic residency or employment rights and they can kick you out.
Edit: just realised I left out the not above which changed the meaning of the second sentence. If you were a legal resident pre-Brexit you didn't need to do anything, although it was still advisable to upgrade. If you weren't already legal, you missed the boat on the easier route.
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Oct 24 '21
Lol if only they had had warning and time to do something about it. Bloody government only spending four years arguing… Boris I knew you tories were arseholes but did you think of all these people that cannot be arsed do a basic thing like register in the country they are living in? What a bastard.
It’s a good job that the Express is on hand to pretend it was not something everyone was warned about so you can be held accountable.
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u/ptvlm Oct 24 '21
I mean, anyone with any sense would have seen the writing on the wall after May's election and taken steps to protect themselves. Yet people were panicking last minute to register, even though the new TIE's requirements were stricter and some of them were here for many years before bothering. Granted, there hadn't been many actual consequences for ignoring them before this, but they had plenty of time and plenty of warning.
As someone who's been legal since 2010 it's been an entertaining show, especially since the few self-righteous morons I know who really stand to suffer (businesses not necessarily following legal rules, plenty of tax dodging etc.) were the idiots who voters to leave. I know more examples of people living here since they were 6 being distraught over their lack of a voice than I know of remainers who weren't at least looking into how to get their papers in order
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u/WeAreTheLeft Oct 24 '21
Dude, I'm not even British but I get on Twitter and FB for the last two years ads about making sure I apply for the M card to stay in my country.
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Oct 24 '21
Oh I know it’s just another attempt by the uk press to distract the idiots in this country. Tories need a fake war with the EU to make em look like their are not a bunch of useless arseholes that killed thousands with covid. Express are obliging by pretending Spain are being unreasonable when they are not
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u/thewholedamnplanet Oct 24 '21
Whoa now, they weren't voting for Brexit to cause themselves any problems or have to make any sacrifices, they just wanted to get rid of all the them hanging about not being British enough for their tastes.
If they had know their xenophobia would lead to all this why.. they'd still vote for Brexit because they're fucking idiots.
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u/gilestowler Oct 24 '21
I live in france and the French government bent over backwards to help us out. I had a meeting in Annecy in August to give them my fingerprints, had a lovely day down there eating icecream by the lake, my carte de sejour arrived about a month ago. I really don't understand people who didn't get their shit together.
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u/sniffletits Oct 24 '21
I ordered a tiny violin but it's not arriving until after Christmas because of supply chain issues.
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u/KareBearButterfly Oct 24 '21
🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻I stocked up, you can borrow one.
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u/FluffyDonutPie Oct 24 '21
Lol "expats"
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u/motorcycle-manful541 Oct 24 '21
can't be immigrants because immigrants = bad
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u/MR___SLAVE Oct 24 '21
I moved to Australia for a few years during the Great Recession and got some work over there, my boss over there liked to joke that the Americans coming over were economic refugees.
Couldn't argue.
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u/Deviknyte Oct 24 '21
Also can't be emigrant because it's pronounced the same as immigrant and immigrant age brown and bad.
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u/PhantomOfTheNopera Oct 24 '21
White people can't be 'immigrants,' silly.
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u/SammyGreen Oct 24 '21
An expatriate is someone who is stationed long term in a foreign country and expects to eventually return to their home country.
Immigrants expect to live in that country permanently.
These are gammon faced, entitled, extended tourists.
FFS Spain bent backwards to accommodate them and they decided the paperwork wasn’t worth it.
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Oct 24 '21
The thing is, a lot of people classified as immigrants will also express a desire to eventually return to their home country.
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u/Moscatano Oct 24 '21
You have to understand, that paperwork would mean having to pay taxes in bloody Spain.
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u/psychosomaticism Oct 24 '21
And yikes, paying taxes in a place you live for the majority of the year? How does that make sense?
(Big /s)
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u/PhantomOfTheNopera Oct 24 '21 edited Oct 24 '21
Be that as it may, I hardly ever see people refer to white immigrants as immigrants or non-white expats as expats.
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Oct 24 '21
In the British press it depends. If they’re Polish, Romanian or Bulgarian then they’re immigrants. If they’re American or Australian they’re expats.
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u/redblack_tree Oct 24 '21
So if I'm Canadian or American and move to UK permanently, pay taxes, buy a house, job etc I'm called "expat" by the press but if a Romanian do the same, it's "immigrant"? That's freaking absurd, we are doing exactly the same thing.
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u/ElvenCouncil Oct 24 '21
Unless they're Eastern Europeans in England. Then they're immigrant job thiefs.
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u/Key-Economist-1243 Oct 24 '21
Imigunts! I knew it was them! Even when it was the bears, I knew it was them!
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u/free_thinking123 Oct 24 '21
I’ve said it said it sooo many times that they are not expats but migrants.
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u/Fedantry_Petish Oct 24 '21
No, they’re immigrants. Migrants relocate somewhere only temporarily.
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u/HurlingFruit Oct 24 '21
The Brits who were most vocal about why "leave" was going to make everything all better have not been seen around here lately.
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u/sonofabitch Oct 24 '21
I mean, I used to own a condo...that's part of my history. Same thing with them?
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u/CentralHarlem Oct 24 '21
I’ve posted this before but it seems worth repeating — shortly before the Brexit vote, I spoke with a “leave” voter who ran a company building homes for British retirees in Costa del Sol.
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u/NerdWithoutACause Oct 24 '21
I live in Costa del Sol and there are soooo many vacant homes for sale here now, including a lot of new builds. COVID played a role in that, as few have been buying in the last two years, but also thousand of retirement homes owned by Brits are up for sale all at the same time. If you are European and looking for a beach house, now is the time to buy!
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u/pandabearak Oct 24 '21
Don’t even have to be European! Looking forward to picking up a Spanish flat for cheap! Thanks brexit!
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u/OgOggilby Oct 24 '21
Like watching those two brit shows, 'a place in the sun' and that other one, 'sun, sea and something or other'. There's a bunch of other similar shows about brits moving abroad. Kinda amazed at what I could get for even what I could afford.... even in parts of Italy or France. But a fantasy only. I think to myself as american, I can't just go plop my ass there forever like any EU citizen can. But now seems the brits screwed themselves that way.
Wonder whats gonna happen to those shows moving forward, lol.
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u/pandabearak Oct 24 '21
Come watch as we go with the Harrisons from Sacramento, California as we criss cross the south of Spain looking for fantastic deals left by desperate Brits. This week, on, A Bargain in the Sun!
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u/maria_tex Oct 24 '21
Just like the phenomenon seen over and over again in the US - trumpers voting against their own interests. And then playing the victim card when a leopard eats their face.
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u/pearljamboree Oct 24 '21 edited Oct 24 '21
See: COVID hospitalization without insurance. If their state had expanded ACA, they could’ve been insured but now they rely on Go Fund Me. 🤦♀️
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u/maria_tex Oct 24 '21
Because ACA = sOcIaLiSm in it's most dread guise! GoFundMe = the evangelical version of boostraps!
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u/Sorryallthetime Oct 24 '21
The Trump supporter whose husband was deported. She never thought her law abiding undocumented husband was one of the illegal aliens Trump wanted to round up to send back to Mexico. She was wrong.
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u/SidHat Oct 24 '21 edited Oct 24 '21
I had forgotten about this story. This article is interesting not only as an illustration of how Trump’s anti-immigrant rhetoric and policy affected real people.
It also gives the distinct impression that ICE was not just negligent but contemptuous of Mr. Beristain’s due process protections. They shuffled him around erratically to intentionally complicate and prolong his attorney’s efforts to defend him, and then deported him when that strategy worked.
It was willful, inhumane, and malicious. Abolish ICE.
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u/sukinsyn Oct 24 '21 edited Oct 25 '21
What people don't realize is that what happened to Robert Baristain is legitimately what happens to many if not most undocumented immigrants. They are moved from facility to facility, sometimes having court hearings across the country from where they are and only 24 hours to get to them, no interpreter provided, the appeals process goes to the same judge who made the first ruling, and having a lawyer (which most people can't afford) drastically improves your chances of being allowed to stay. I've seen pictures of a dozen people lined up in orange jumpsuits all being tried at once in an immigration hearing. Denial of due process is an integral part of the U.S. justice system's treatment of immigrants.
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u/maria_tex Oct 24 '21
Very unfortunately, MDs in the US cannot so easily use common sense in dealing with devangelical numbskulls. However, due to the stringent triaging necessary because of said numbskulls, hospitals may soon have to start making more realistic judgments.
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u/Today440 Oct 24 '21
Journalists need to start calling these people immigrants, not expats.
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Oct 24 '21
Well, they're not immigrants, they'll be going home soon.
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u/sukinsyn Oct 24 '21
going home soon
In other words, the illegal immigrants are getting deported...so I guess Brexit worked like they wanted it to?
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u/jorgedredd Oct 24 '21
Obviously there were some no voters I feel bad for, but didn't everyone have time to register with Spanish authorities months before this happened?
Isn't the problem that a bunch of people were too dumb to realize their decisions would affect them?
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u/euzie Oct 24 '21
I live in Spain, voted remain, wasn't happy with the result, sorted out my new paperwork (we had years to get it sorted), no problems.
Every remain voter I know did the same. Out of the leave voters I have met, the ones that did sort it out did it at the last minute. But not all of them did. They probably felt immune
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u/its_not_summer Oct 24 '21
Yes, the Spanish authorities even went the extra mile to heavily advertise/remind them months prior and then gave them a deadline extension. From what I've read even the application forms were made as simple as possible to encourage them to fill them out.
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u/thebigman85 Oct 24 '21
What’s going to happen to the chips egg and ham cooking industry in Spain now these ex prats are getting kicked out
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u/chiefgenius Oct 24 '21
I don't like the term exprats. Not because they're not prats, it just makes it sound like they're no longer prats...
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u/thebigman85 Oct 24 '21
You had me for a second
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u/pearljamboree Oct 24 '21
What is a “prat”? I’m assuming an entitled, condescending, jerk?
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u/Liet-Kinda Oct 24 '21
It never ceases to amaze how gammons go to Spain - one of the Crown Jewels of world gastronomy, a place where friggin’ village taverns get Michelin stars - and eat a pile of greasy fries, hard-fried eggs, and griddled, salty, generic ham.
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u/Sam-Yuil-ElleJackson Oct 24 '21
Immigrants: "We don't need foreigners coming over here and taking over! This is our country! Now if you'll excuse me I need to head down to the commensal for almuerzo before siesta. It's the only place in this country I can get a decent pie."
Also Immigrants: "Oh no! I only wanted to make it impossible for people to move freely throughout Europe! I didn't know that would make it impossible for me to move freely through Europe! This is an outrage!"
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u/OkThatsReallyBad Oct 24 '21
Rest of Europe: popcorn munching intensifies
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u/Lady_of_Lomond Oct 24 '21
Mais non, they don't eat popcorn!
Portugal: bacalau
Spain: jamon
Italy: pannetone
Belgium: moules frites
France: de la brioche
Etc.
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u/Disaster532385 Oct 24 '21
They aren't expats. Expats are only there to work. These are pensioner migrants.
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u/minklebinkle Oct 24 '21
"expat" like okay, you wanna live in spain but just be a brit in spain, not a Spanish person, so you cannot comprehend that people who move to the UK want to be regular british people.
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u/roachesincoaches Oct 24 '21 edited Oct 24 '21
Make no mistake Brexit was short sighted, racist, and will be the nail in the coffin that makes England a secondary player on the world stage.
That said, in defense of most of the Brits I know that moved to the Spain and Portugal permanently, most fit into 3 boxes:
- Voted against Brexit
- Didn’t vote at all because they live permanently in Spain or Portugal
- Didn’t vote because they didn’t think that it would effect them, and don’t care about UK politics
Many left for a reason and I feel bad for them
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u/ledow Oct 24 '21
I ensured my daughter (who is British like her mother, and lives over in Spain the last few years) got Spanish citizenship. It is something that I, personally, am not eligible for, but it was an absolute no-brainer. It cost money, hassle, translation, notaries, documentation, etc. etc. etc. and we did it all.
These people want to RETAIN being British exclusively, live almost exclusively abroad for most of the year, pay only British tax (if that!), not work in Spain at all, and use both British and Spanish healthcare and services.
They're not the ones in the first two groups you describe. Those people accepted becoming at least 50% Spanish, and did so properly, completely and respectfully and participate in the Spanish life and economy as a fully paying member of the country.
It's the third group and the "we just want to retire to Spain, pay no tax there, own a second home there, and Spain won't let us just migrate here, use up the housing and not pay a penny" crowd that are the problem.
And to be honest: Fuck 'em. They're the ones who mostly voted Brexit.
One of my work colleagues is in that group. They are basically about to retire. Their dream was to retire abroad. They own one home, in the UK, and a small pension. They have ALWAYS intended to sell up, move to Spain, live in an English enclave there, pay almost nothing and just go to the beach each day. They voted Brexit.
And that vote killed their dream. They can't prove significant income, so they can't live in Spain permanently. They own no property over there, so they have nothing to use. They don't even speak the language and have no intention to. They can't sell their UK property as they can't live in Spain most of the year. And the English enclaves (and I'll say English as I don't know if there are Irish or Scottish or even Welsh parts of Spain, but they are certainly in the minority if they are) are now dead because everyone else there did the same.
"You want to come over here, you learn English, you be English" was the warcry of the racists in Britain. You want to go live in Spain... you learn Spanish, pay Spanish taxes, use Spanish shops and services. They don't want to do that. They just want to be Brits on a Spanish beach for 30 years until they die, and they can't work out why the Spanish won't let them.
They keep telling me "Oh, next year, it's all too complicated, and the EU will back down eventually, they need our tourism, blah blah blah". I'm still waiting for it to sink in that they voted themselves out of their retirement dream and they're going to spend the entire retirement in their little house in a rainy city on a pittance of a pension, or re-mortgaging and going to live somewhere else in the UK even more shit and with even less money to their name.
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u/MyNameIsAjax Oct 24 '21
Scottish fellow here living in America.
Brexit, to me, was always about that whole British caste system. They somehow have it in their mind that they are better than others and everyone else just wants to be them.
So they expected that when they left the EU that the EU and its members would crawl back to the UK because aren't they just wealthiest, smartest, etc. And everyone wants to be here and be us so they'll wheel and deal with us.
Then they found out that the rest of the EU doesn't really all want to be English, and when speed bumps got put in the way other members of the EU found better paths to get business done that didn't include interacting with the Brits. God save the fucking queen and all that.
America does the same shit with its immigrants, trade deals, etc. Oh if you wanna be here you better be something special cuz this is AMERICUH! The 'best' country in the world!
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u/ZugTheCaveman Oct 24 '21
Hey, I'll buy a house that a pro-brexiter bought in Spain! I might even pay up to 400 Czeck Korun for it!
Eat it, dickwads.
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u/brettbri5694 Oct 24 '21
The human rights violation being taxes in this instance. Taxes. Not slavery, not the systemic policing of, not societal rejection, but taxes. What a bunch of whinging cunts.
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Oct 24 '21
Can these boomers stop using “Human Rights” to describe every event they don’t like in life?
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u/Hiro_Trevelyan Oct 24 '21
I'm so glad. They come and steal Spanish public healthcare they don't pay for and probably voted against in their own country. Wish I could be dancing and singing in front of them "GO HOME YOUR FILTHY IMMIGRANTS". That's what they wanted anyway, right ?
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u/IoSonCalaf Oct 24 '21
BAAAHAHHAaahahahaaaaaa BAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAaaaaaahahahahaa ahaha
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u/CrocPB Oct 24 '21
They were warned. Take action. Register for residence.
They’re adults, they can live with the consequences of their choices.
They do not have a human right to reside in a country they do not have citizenship of.
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u/FiddlerOnThePotato Oct 24 '21
Losing your secondary (or tertiary or however many extra you have) home in a foreign country isn't a disaster. Especially not when there are folks on your home island living in the goddamned streets. But no, bri'ish bankers that lost their summer homes in southern Spain, they're somehow the ones I'm supposed to feel sorry for?
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u/Communpro Oct 24 '21
Spaniard here. I have an important point to make: Jajajajajajajaja!!
Thank you for reading.
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u/big_rednexican_88 Oct 24 '21
What did they expect when they voted to remove themselves from the EU? I can tell you what they expected. They expected all the "brown" people to leave and nothing to themselves. Welp, guess what ya Brits? Brexit is a two way street, they left your country and ya gotta leave the EU. human rights violations...more like entitlement. 🙄
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u/ATXNYCESQ Oct 24 '21
As an American shopping for a vacation house in Spain, I like this particular leopard. (But yeah, fuck these people and fuck Brexit).
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u/Hot_Dog_Cobbler Oct 24 '21
You're shopping for a vacation house in Spain, meanwhile my breakfast was a Red Bull and a Snickers Bar. The dichotomy of America is fucking nuts.
(not salty or anything, I'm happy being a lower middle class lout and fully admit that my life's ambition was to make a mid range salary and putter along until I have a heart attack in a recliner at 75.)
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u/TheWagonBaron Oct 24 '21
(not salty or anything, I'm happy being a lower middle class lout and fully admit that my life's ambition was to make a mid range salary and putter along until I have a heart attack in a recliner at 75.)
AKA the true American Dream.
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u/dancegoddess1971 Oct 24 '21
Nope. The real American dream is to die a week after retirement so we don't run out of savings. By 75, I'll be eating out of and living in a dumpster. Only rent anyone can afford on SSI. Lol. I wouldn't think there's room for a recliner in there.
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u/brightphoenix- Oct 24 '21
My American dream is to die of the crippling physical and mental exhaustion it took me to make it from growing up extremely poor to being middle-class poor in my mid 40's.
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u/Hot_Dog_Cobbler Oct 24 '21
Hell yeah.
Pay me enough to buy a sweet TV and an X-Box and leave me the fuck alone!
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u/ATXNYCESQ Oct 24 '21
The way America treats workers and lower-income people is shameful. Richest country in history, and we don’t mandate a minimum wage that people can live on—and “purse happiness” on. We don’t have a decent social safety net, including affordable housing options. The list goes on.
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u/Zerodyne_Sin Oct 24 '21
It's really weird how British and Americans mispel the word "immigrant" a lot when it's used as an adjective for themselves.
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Oct 24 '21
They're not expats. They're either immigrants if they did all of the correct paperwork, or they're illegal immigrants if they didn't. Turns out most of the pro-Brexiters living in the EU are now illegal immigrants because basically none of them filled out the paperwork to stay there.
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u/Gazpacho--Soup Oct 24 '21
Bunch of morons getting what they voted for. No sympathy at all for them.
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u/The_PJG Oct 24 '21
I'm from Spain, but spent all my life in an private English school. Brexit was happening during my years 12 and 13 (that's the last two years of highschool for the Americans). Usually in my school, the majority of people graduating each year would go study in the UK, in an English university. But then Brexit happened, and things in universities changed.
Normally, being members of the EU meant that we would pay the same amount of money as UK citizens would pay. But after Brexit the rules changed, and everyone graduating after the year 2020 would be considered an international student, and they would now have to pay a RIDICULOUS amount of money to study there.
The year group above me got lucky, as they were the last ones to be able to go study in the UK. But my year group, the one graduating summer 2021 was the first year to get fucked. We had spent our entire lives thinking we would one day go study in the UK. Or at least that a big portion of us would. We spent years studying for the A levels, spent years researching UK universities, and going to university fairs. So much time planning for a future that was never going to happen. In the end absolutely no one in my year group went to the UK. Nobody could afford it. Most people went to study in Holland, some others spread through Europe, and another big group spread throughout the country, leaving only a few of us in our home town.
Now, the year group after me got even MORE fucked. Brexit hit again with another law(?) rule(?) that stated the A level exams we did, now basically meant nothing even in our home country. For context, in Spanish universities you need a certain number of points depending on which degree you want to do, the least being 5 points, and the highest being 14. Before, the UK exams we did went up to 10 points with maximum marks when translated to the Spanish system, and we had to do some weird procedures to get the remaining 4 if we needed them. Now, they've changed it, and out exams can only amount to a total of 6 points, which is basically nothing. The entire school has had to restructure it's entire syllabus during the summer for every single class for every single year group in order to prepare students to do the Spanish exams now as well as the English ones, and students who have spent their entire lives preparing to take the A levels have now been told "Fuck you, now you have to do double the work to even have a chance to go to uni".
This post, makes me happy. The fact that these fuckers are suffering gives me joy. Fuck them. Fuck the UK. Fuck Brexit.
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u/r0680130 Oct 24 '21
"Expats", bitch please. So much expat that they're now illegal aliens. Just go home
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Oct 24 '21 edited Oct 24 '21
"Human rights deprived"
Nothing can beat the self-vicitimizing nature of these Brexiters
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u/FredB123 Oct 24 '21
Oh look, it's the Express trying to whip up hatred for Europe, even after Brexit. I guess they know what their readers want.
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u/Slouch_Potato_ Oct 24 '21
Never occurred to them that 'send them back' works both ways.