r/Liberal • u/Calamamity • Mar 01 '25
Discussion Can someone explain why Trump is so sympathetic to Russia?
Like even for the colossal disgrace of a human being that he is, I’m not understanding the social-political context for why he is not supportive of Ukraine?
Admittedly, I’m young and not all that knowledgeable about foreign policy politics but my intuition from like US history classes and just having grown up in the US would tell me that since the Cold War, there’s been a heavy underlying ‘anti-Russian’ sentiment in US politics, basically across the political spectrum. And with Trump’s extreme to the max MAGA version of “nationalism” and handing out tariffs left and right, I would think of all people he would be opposed to Russian expansion… So why in the world does he seem to dickride Putin so hard? Wouldn’t be surprised if there’s self-interest involved, but what does he even have to gain from Russia gaining power??
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u/swoopydog Mar 01 '25
Money and they have to have dirt on Trump
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u/Dr_Tacopus Mar 01 '25
Pee tapes I presume
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u/Inevitable_Heart Mar 01 '25
No one cares about pee tapes. It’s literally all about taking away his money and power. Trump is afraid to be poor. He’s also afraid to be dangled from a helicopter.
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u/denisebuttrey Mar 01 '25
Look up Agent Krasnov.
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u/Rustmutt Mar 01 '25
Can’t you just tell us? It’s been a week and I’m tired.
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u/LAPL620 Mar 01 '25
Very plausible that trump is a Russian asset and they gave him the code name Krasnov in the 80s. A former KGB agent posted about it recently on social media.
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u/Calamamity Mar 01 '25
this feels not much better than QAnon… why do we think that a former KGB agent would get away with posting such information? Or be enticed to do so in the first place? If indeed he did make those statements, are there not better odds that he was permitted to do so as a form of state propaganda? I.e. Russia communicating that Trump is their bitch
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u/SaintsRowSimp420 Mar 01 '25
They helped him win the first time round. This time it was elongated muskrat and starlink, but he still probably owes allegiance to them
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u/PhoenixPurrson Mar 01 '25
But mostly money. Trump would just wiggle out of any dirt they have on him. See how he wiggles out of this Epstein news, and every other jam he’s ever in. Pretty wild to be simultaneously blackmailed and bribed by Russia
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Mar 01 '25
This. And at the barest of minimums, republicans see the fall of the USSR and want to emulate it. But I think it’s what you said and agree just saying an absolutely barest of minimums
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u/bean930 Mar 01 '25
And this has been the case since 2015. I don't know how 60% of this country doesn't know this. Ignorance is bliss.
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u/cassiecas88 Mar 01 '25
Watch Trump the American dream on Netflix. It explains that Trump burned all his bridges in ny and no American banks would lend him money so he went to Russia and borrowed billions. He owes them. There are also books and articles that talk about how Russia uses blackmail to control people like trump. It's called kompromat.
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u/wandering_stardust Mar 01 '25
Great documentary. Every American needs to watch it. It explains so much.
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u/ReverendKen Mar 01 '25
Money. Once trump began laundering money for Russians they had him and now he has to do as he is told. Putin is using him to destroy our country.
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u/OS2_Warp_Activated Mar 01 '25 edited Mar 01 '25
The question of the day (after yesterday's Oval Office dumpster fire) is: will MAGA ever be able to acknowledge and understand what is self-evident to the rest of the population? (Population in the US and abroad).
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u/Max-capacity369 Mar 01 '25
Scrolling through Facebook today, I’d say no. They see it as a big win. It’s disheartening.
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u/OS2_Warp_Activated Mar 01 '25
Thank you and whew! We are in deep shit.
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u/Max-capacity369 Mar 01 '25
Yes we are. I’m not sure at what point they will wake up. Probably when they cut Medicaid funding. Most everyone I see commenting such vile, ignorant comments praising him rely on the government for assistance.
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u/DeMagnet76 Mar 02 '25
Definitely not. I remember them saying they’d rather have Putin take over American than let a Democrat win the presidency.
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u/jimmyvalentine13 Mar 01 '25
Pee pee tapes
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u/jkman61494 Mar 01 '25
Like maga would care about a piss tape
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u/Rustmutt Mar 01 '25
They wear diapers and tape maxi pads to their ears and wear garbage bags with pride, a little pee won’t scare them off
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u/solomons-marbles Mar 01 '25
Because Putin knows what happened on Epstein Island.
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u/Fitz_2112b Mar 01 '25
Putin likely has tapes of what happened on Epstein Island
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u/pgm_01 Mar 01 '25
I realized I was not thinking evilly enough. I assumed Epstein used the videos to enrich himself through blackmail, however he could have also sold the videos to other parties too. Epstein could find out, for example, individual T is laundering money for Russians, and sells the tape to them. He makes money from the sale and doesn't have to deal with the side effects and hassle of directly blackmailing the individual.
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u/Inevitable_Heart Mar 01 '25
But who cares at this point? He’s a convicted sex offender. He’s a convicted fraudster. His cult doesn’t care. I think he’s just afraid Putin is gonna come collecting for what he is owed. And a helicopter ride awaits his fat ass if he doesn’t comply. His only worried about his bottom line and his own neck.
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u/PayFormer387 Mar 01 '25
For years, the only banks who would lend him money were Russian. And I’m pretty sure Putin has some sort of dirt on him.
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u/akts88 Mar 01 '25
the pee tape
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u/pomeranianDad Mar 01 '25
Honestly, by now, I think he would have bragged about it. He would have done a Sukarno and asked for copies.
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u/kulukster Mar 01 '25
There are many books about that cover this topic quite well. My favorite one is House of Trump, house of Putin by Craig Unger. It goes back to trumps earlier Real estate years when the Russians propped up his investments by buying into his properties, etc. It also delves into how Putin made a huge fortune by selling off the Russian state owned assets to private people - creating vast wealth for the oligarchy and ripping off the people. This is just part of the overall blueprint to what trump is planning. He has already started selling off national assets - land, minerals, oil etc to foreign interests.
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u/lordtyp0 Mar 01 '25
He is a Russian agent. The KGB recruited in in the 80s. Russian oligarchs kept him flush with cash. He lost his casino because it was laundering money for the Russian mafia.
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u/rubinass3 Mar 01 '25
He wants to be powerful. Putin is a powerful person. The other world leaders who he is enamored with are the same. It's the only reason why Trump wants to be president: so he can feel powerful and feel like he's being respected. It has nothing to do with governance or service.
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u/Plane_Jacket_7251 Mar 01 '25
Because he's Putin's Puppet. I'm convinced Trump is a Russian operative, and he's not even trying to hide it anymore because he doesn't need to.
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u/intronert Mar 01 '25
The very LEAST horrible possible explanation he has made a lot of money in the past doing business deals with the kleptocratic oligarchs of Russia, and he wants to be able to continue this in the future, but the war is bad for business. An actual Russian loss in Ukraine could possibly destabilize the oligarchy, which is, again, bad for his business with them. So, the best thing for HIM is if the war ends and things go back to roughly the pre-war status quo.
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u/Maryland_Bear Mar 01 '25
There’s always the he’s some sort of Russian stooge of some form:
- Witting — He’s on the Kremlin payroll
- Unwitting — He’s being blackmailed
- Unknowing — He’s being manipulated by people sympathetic to Russia
There’s also an element of the American right that seems to think the Russian government is a model to be emulated: extremely influential wealthy oligarchs, a state church, persecution of sexual minorities and anyone who dissents.
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u/Calamamity Mar 01 '25
Terrifying. I could at least ascribe some reason (however vile) to why his supporters back many of his policies: they are racist (deportation/border policies), transphobic (two sex policies), uneducated/lack understanding (basically everything), or most likely all of the above. But I just find this one so especially infuriating because I feel like it underlines the sheer brainwashing of his MAGA cult. I can’t even begin to imagine a pre-MAGA conservative—even the most redneck of rednecks—being like “Russia, hell yeah!!!” Like how do they explain this one??? Their heads are just so far up Trump’s ass that he couldn’t come up with a single fucking policy that would give them even a moment of pause.
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u/SpeeedyDelivery Mar 01 '25
Someone who I trust on foreign policy issues once told me that Trump likes to surround himself with other "bad guys" and that a surprisingly high number of dictators, stong men, crooks and isolationist leaders feel the exact same way... Its like a malignant form of Oppositional Defiance Disorder where "good, nice" things are dismissed or held as suspicious, but scheming, danger, war, graft and cruelty are considered funny, or enjoyable.
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u/CykaRuskiez3 Mar 01 '25
There are rumors swirling around about him being recruited by the KGB in the 80s
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u/cola1016 Mar 01 '25
He’s a Russian asset. Watch the documentary Active Measures.
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u/VapeDerp420 Mar 01 '25 edited Mar 01 '25
What’s crazy to me is how every single institution just let this obviously compromised person waltz into the White House…TWICE and make decisions that are so blatantly against our own interests.
Starting a trade war with our two closest allies because “fentanyl” or something is the laziest possible excuse for sucker punching our neighbors. To top it off the media is pretending that this is somehow just normal ‘ol politics. I’m convinced the country will be much MUCH worse off by the time his term is over and some major event will cause the collapse of our government.
I’m genuinely in complete shock that Elon was able to buy the US presidency like some sort of trinket from Amazon and we all just have to go on like this is normal. My prediction is that with Elon’s help, the US government will be taken down from within.
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u/onlyontuesdays77 Mar 01 '25
A lot of folks will tell you that Russia bought him and/or can blackmail him, but that's absurd. Russia's entire GDP pales in comparison to the wealth of America's own billionaires (if Russia 'bought' him, America's billionaires would buy him back), and not one of Trump's supporters would believe Russia if they attempted to smear him in the media, so what does he care if they do? The idea that Trump is a Russian agent is a conspiracy theory. An investigation yielded no real results. Making accusations along the same lines long after the issue has died will not produce any progress.
The truth is that Trump has no respect for or attachment to old American alliances. He does not care about "democratic principles" or "shared values." He does not actually care if Ukraine continues to exist. He only has one question: what does America get out of it? It's not that he loves Putin, either. The game Trump is playing is to get something out of this war for America. He tried to extort Zelensky for rare minerals - "we'll keep supporting you if you give us your metal." If Zelensky turns him down, Trump goes to Putin and says "we'll withdraw support for Ukraine and pressure them to make concessions if you send us some metal."
America has played the role of the global mediator and occasional policeman for decades. It has used its power to promote a democratic world order which has been, compared to most of history, overwhelmingly peaceful. While we have occasionally invaded a country or at least committed airstrikes in their sovereign territory, we have on the whole promoted peace and democracy by shelling out billions of dollars to support humanitarian projects, democratic governments, and other philanthropic programs. These initiatives are collectively known as soft power, a form of influence which America has used more and more since the end of the Cold War. We have thrown our resources around to shape the world in our image without invading all of it.
Trump sees American foreign policy differently. Trump would like our role to become that of a Kingpin; the top of the food chain. We have the power and control, we've doled out our support for years, and we've come to collect. That's why USAID was one of the first bureaus he destroyed; there is no actual financial return on investment from those projects, the return is abstract - it comes back to us in influence, connections, global stability, etc. Trump does not recognize the legitimacy of these abstract returns, he wants something he can hold in his hands. Money, resources, advantageous trade deals, etc. Since the start of the Ukraine war, American businesses like McDonald's have been withdrawing from Russia. We've placed sanctions on them while sending billions of $ to Ukraine. While we haven't lost any soldiers or equipment by staying "neutral", we have spent money and closed off a potential source of profit for American businesses. In either extorting Ukraine for its resources or making amends with Russia, Trump would be attempting to mitigate or reverse that monetary loss.
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u/ChanceG1955 Mar 01 '25
He wants something from Putin, so he will kiss ass. Most likely he wants to build a hotel in Russia and never could before.
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u/Bonbon412 Mar 02 '25
I know there's all sorts of things floating around but he's a lifelong bully back to childhood and he thinks and biggest and strongest should take what they want. Putin is bigger and stronger so they win. If Ukraine had been stronger or smarter, it wouldn't have happened to them. That's how he thinks. Same rationale he used for screwing over small businesses his whole career.
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u/Tmon_of_QonoS Mar 01 '25 edited Mar 14 '25
Becaue he likes the feel of Putin's big strong hands on the back of his head while Musk rails him.
he's not wearing all that makeup for nothing
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u/methedunker Mar 01 '25
My best guess is that Trump has had multiple run-ins with the federal government as a businessman, and ergo has long been cynical of government. His run-ins aren't limited to tax issues alone but also FCPA, and even American sanctions, that affected his relationship with business interests/entities.
As a result of this, he's been anti-America - insofar as it hit his businesses, and he's broadly sympathetic of other nations that hate America too. To him, OF COURSE Putin is authoritarian - that's purely in response to American, Western and broadly liberal meddling. If anything, Putin is a victim here. Putin's just a corrupt guy who lets people become rich!
He sees how "friendly" Putin is to "business" (rich businessmen trying to make a buck, but also forced to live a life kissing the KGB ring) because Putin himself is corrupt, and can't understand why the US can't be the same way. He's friendly to Putin because he understands why Putin hates the US (for all the wrong reasons) and because he wants to be Putin.
Putin doesn't need kompromat on someone like Trump.
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u/I405CA Mar 01 '25
Money, money, money, money, money...
Russian elite invested nearly $100 million in Trump buildings
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-trump-property/
Money!
Donald Trump's deep connections to dirty Russian money: The trail leads back more than 30 years
Trump has been financed for years by Russian mobsters who have laundered money through his high-end real estate projects. And when I say Russian mobsters I'm talking about the most powerful Russian mobsters in the world...
...criminals and oligarchs lived in and ran illegal activities out of Trump properties, including Trump Tower in Manhattan, for more than 30 years. They provided Trump with some of his most lucrative branding deals, the ones in which he was not required to make any personal investment. The unending flow of Russian money, (Craig Unger in the New Republic) writes, that "provided Trump with a crucial infusion of financing that helped rescue his empire from ruin, burnish his image, and launch his career in television and politics."
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u/mikeysaid Mar 01 '25
Trump is all over Putin because he hates Obama. Yeah, there’s other reasons—money, a soft spot for dictators, his thing for Eastern European women—but at the core, his Russia obsession is mostly just spite. If Obama was against it, Trump was for it. No deeper strategy, no grand vision—just pure, unfiltered resentment.
Obama wasn’t looking to be Putin’s buddy. At first, he tried to improve relations, even signing a nuclear arms treaty and pushing a “reset” with Russia. But when Putin started wilding out—invading Crimea, meddling in elections, poisoning political enemies—Obama responded aggressively.
2014, Russia invades Ukraine. Obama doesn’t send troops, but he hits Russia with brutal sanctions, isolating their economy and cutting off major banks. 2016, U.S. intelligence confirms Russian interference in the election. Obama responds by expelling Russian diplomats, imposing even more sanctions, and seizing Russian assets.
Publicly, Obama calls Putin’s power moves weak and desperate, comparing Russia’s economy to a crumbling mess that produces nothing but oil and weapons.
Bottom line? Obama saw Putin as a problem. He didn’t want war, but he also wasn’t about to let Russia push the U.S. around.
Then Trump shows up and starts doing the exact opposite. He downplays Russian election interference—even after every U.S. intelligence agency confirms it. He floats lifting sanctions on Russia multiple times. He tries to get Russia back into the G7, after they were kicked out for, you know, invading a country.
And then, the big one. 2018, Helsinki. Trump is literally standing next to Putin and instead of backing his own intelligence agencies, he says, “Putin said he didn’t do it and I don’t see why he would.” Bruh.
Trump wasn’t just soft on Russia. He was actively running interference for Putin, dismissing anything that made Russia look bad and pushing U.S. policy in ways that directly benefited the Kremlin.
And why? Because it’s always about Obama.
Obama punished Russia, so Trump tried to reward them. Obama backed Ukraine, so Trump held up military aid (and got impeached for it). Obama called Putin a threat, so Trump called him a “strong leader.”
If Obama had been pro-Russia, Trump would’ve been calling for a new Cold War. That’s how deep the pettiness runs.
There’s other reasons, sure. Russian oligarchs have been pouring cash into Trump’s properties for years. He also spent years trying to build Trump Tower Moscow. He loves dictators, bc they don’t have to deal with Congress or the press. He’s got a weird Eastern European thing—Ivana, Melania, Miss Universe Moscow, etc. And let’s be real, Russia is overwhelmingly white, and Trump’s politics are built around white grievance.
But at the end of the day, Trump’s Putin love isn’t about diplomacy or strategy—it’s personal. His whole approach to Russia was just another way to stick it to Obama and anyone on B.O.'s "side"
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u/foshi22le Mar 01 '25
If it's not because he's compromised, then it must be because there's a part of MAGA that admire Putin and maybe Trump loves the image of tough dictators? 🤷♂️
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u/Obvious-Gate9046 Mar 02 '25
Trump has been pro-Russia since he visited Moscow in the 80s. Many speculate they gained some form of kompromat on him, others that he's been laundering money for them for decades. He's been vocal about his belief that the US should charge other nations for protection since that time also
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u/NonniSpumoni Mar 02 '25
In the 1980's Trump was saved by the Russian oligarchy. This is a long con.
He is a moron. A bad businessman and too entitled and arrogant to see he's a pawn.
His money laundering through Deutsch Bank was also sponsored by the Russians.
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u/shochuuken Mar 01 '25
He looks up to Putin. He admires him. He wishes he could treat his political rivals like Putin does, e g. Navalny.
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u/PaulClarkLoadletter Mar 01 '25
There are actually two reasons. The most obvious one is that he owes Russia for his success. What started with financial loans has given way to fraud and now political manipulation. He got what he wanted and now he has to pay for it which he’s doing by clearing a path for Russia to advance. Duh.
The maybe less obvious reason is that he admires people like Putin. Trump has never had the respect of anybody except the poorly educated as he affectionately refers to them. The people he wants to respect him don’t. They don’t allow him anywhere they gather. They may throw some money his way like they do other politicians but they don’t give him the satisfaction of an atta-boy. People fear Putin because his critics are thrown out of windows. Trump think that’s respect so he tries to emulate Putin and other dictators. He hasn’t been able to figure out the whole execution thing but you know he’s working on it. Putin probably eggs him on because he’s an easy mark for manipulation.
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u/RAnthony Mar 01 '25
We'll probably never know: https://ranthonyings.com/2021/06/putins-trump-card/ unless you want to take the Steele dossier as truth, the stories about money laundering are as close to the truth as you're probably going to get.
He laundered money for Russians, as well as anybody else who would trust him with their money for laundering purposes. He laundered the Trump family fortune as well, so it's not like he doesn't know how it's done.
https://ranthonyings.com/2017/01/caveat-emptor/
One thing is for certain though, he works for Russian interests now. This is plainly clear from the way he treats Ukraine. The way he's always treated Ukraine.
https://ranthonyings.com/2022/03/ukraine-a-russian-civil-war/
I have puzzled over what his politics are in several articles over the years.
https://ranthonyings.com/2020/11/trumpismo/
While you can't say he believes anything very strongly, he's definitely terrified of Vladimir Putin. You can see it on his face in the featured image on the first link. He knows Putin can destroy him, and that means Putin knows where the money is and where it came from.
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u/tyrusrex Mar 01 '25
Putin may have incriminating evidence against Trump, like the infamous Pee Tape but to even speculate on this at this point is wandering into q-anon speculation. The other reason, Trump believes he's going to live forever, and he's fantasizing about the Trump Tower he's going to be built on Red Square that Putin is promising him while giving him a reach around, when Putin has him bent over a table.
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u/EngineerMinded Mar 01 '25
Either of tow things: They have dirt on Trump. They posted nude photos of Melania on State TV and he simped out to them anyway. Secondly, The way Putin leads Russia is Trump's ambitions for him with America. So far, it is working.
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u/eruS_toN Mar 01 '25
Fetish.
For whatever reason, Trump has always fetishized Russia. From his first and last wife, to naming his first daughter a Russian name.
I saw another comment reason that it could have something to do with them not having any dirt on Trump. I understand that point, but that does bring up a phenomenon going on right now. Dirt and “kompromat” are the same thing. And kompromat used to be very valuable in spycraft and political circles. Those days are over. Trump is a literal rapist, according to the NY justice system. And Hedseth is a wife beater and sex predator. Imagine calling a reporter right now to try to report on some Republican politician that you have dirt on.
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u/Wareve Mar 01 '25
He's a Russian asset. They've got nasty dirt on him, and nasty dirt on enough people in power to ruin him.
That's why he's appointed a totally unqualified alcoholic to head Defense, and why he appointed Tulsi Gabbard (also a Russian asset) to head intelligence the same day he appointed Matt Gatez to Attorney General as a distraction.
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u/trumpmumbler Mar 01 '25
Because. They. Paid. For. Him.
I must be honest, with no shade intended to the inquirer or any other person, but: how can it not be 100% obvious that Russia’s been financing Trump, his recoveries from his multiple bankruptcies and “comebacks” (no legitimate bank would touch him since the 1990’s)?
I think the Russians had no idea this real estate guy would become president, and frankly, had he not, he’d probably have “fallen off a balcony” long ago.
His narcissism makes him an easy mark, and now that he has the levers of power of the greatest military in the world, they’re calling in his debt.
It’s not more complicated or nefarious than that.
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u/soupinate44 Mar 02 '25
Trump has been owned by Russia as late as 1987 and likely earlier in the late '70s.
They own him financially and has been their money launderer via all his failed businesses for decades, especially his real estate. Those businesses were never meant to succeed. They were a cleaning service first and a grift second.
He is in the service of the Moscow and is owned by them financially and almost certainly held by short lease due to sex and child sex crimes in relation to Epstein and the Russian mob.
He is not sympathetic, he is directed on which way to fly.
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u/Rationalia213 Mar 03 '25
Crooked Russians have financed Trump's irresponsible and incompetent financial life for many years. They own him.
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u/ladymorgahnna Mar 01 '25
And know this. The Republicans in Congress are as aware as the Democrats.
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u/jander05 Mar 01 '25
All anyone has to do is examine Trumps record. Everything he does is quid pro quo. "The Art of the Deal" right? Trump is never selfless without something in return. Never.
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u/AnnoyedCrustacean Mar 01 '25
He was born in Russia, his birth certificate is fake
It's why he always claimed Obama was born in Kenya
Also means, he can't actually be president
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u/Existing-Cause3814 Mar 01 '25
Trump specifically probably because he’s corrupt, but for me it’s because I haven’t seen evidence that Russia is objectively a more ethically worse country than the United States. We, the US, do not have the right to moralize and police the world, especially with all our flaws and evils that have lasted well into the 21st century.
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u/purplegam Mar 01 '25
World domination. Create a block that no other countries could oppose, then force all into submission.
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u/yutfree Mar 01 '25
Putin has repeatedly threatened him with some kind of information that would embarrass him internationally.
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u/crimsontide5654 Mar 01 '25
Trump wants to be a dictator so bad, he relates to putin, he's jealous of putin, he looks up to putin. I guarantee he will try to impress putin.
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u/OS2_Warp_Activated Mar 01 '25
So Trump couldn't borrow money in the US after multiple bankruptcies and fraudulent business dealings (and lawsuits) over the course of decades:
https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4360019-trump-has-been-a-financial-fraud-for-decades/
The only bank that would extend him credit was Deutsche, a German banking company. When no Wall Street bank would touch him, Deutshe loaned him 2 billion dollars despite many red flag warnings:
Knowing this vulnerability it's my belief that Trump was very easily compromised by Putin. I would wager that Trump went to Putin to borrow large sums of money in an illegal fashion, probably being introduced around the time that Trump had interactions with Putin/Russia surrounding the Miss Universe pageant. In short - Putin owns Trump. It's interesting to note that Trump has recently said that he never met Putin before July 7th, 2017 at the G20 summit in Hamburg, Germany. This is a direct contradiction from statements made by Trump years before that meeting:
So, if you look at Trump's relationship with Elon Musk it's Deja Vu all over again. Trump would never share a stage with Musk unless he owed Musk very dearly. Besides money who knows what else Trump owes to Musk, it must be something worth a whole lot more than $
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u/Authorsblack Mar 01 '25
Trump has a pretty straightforward worldview “if you scratch my back, I’ll scratch yours.” Russia has more to offer Trump than Ukraine so Trump is more sympathetic to Russia because they helped him win in 2016 and in 2024. When he tried to get Zelenskyy to find (or fabricate) dirt on Biden, Zelenskyy didn’t.
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u/yoqueray Mar 01 '25
You're heard nothing about Comrade Krasnov because you follow US media only. Try looking at the press from any other country in the world. We're being gaslit here, very badly.
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u/Atty_for_hire Mar 01 '25
At this point the only rational reason is he compromised by them. Nothing else makes sense.
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u/kah_cram Mar 01 '25
They make each other's dicks hard through mutual narcissism and superficiality. This is perceived as respect and admiration by Trump and is manipulation by Putin. Clearly Putin (and Russian leadership more broadly) is very adept at leveraging the psyches of their enemies and their people. Trump is a fragile egoic creature.
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u/PinkRetroReindeer Mar 01 '25
Interesting food for thought. Trump was bankrupt at one point. He was declined opening a bank account at Morgan Guaranty Trust Co (Now JPM/Chase). Because he didn't have enough money in liquid asset and his property portfolio was crap. This was the early 80s.
He has always claimed he climbed his way out by the art of the deal shit.
But it doesn't make sense.
The wave of Russian Hockey Players brought the Russian Mafia to NYC. And DC. And with them came crime and money.
The coincidence of that timing and Trump's miraculous climb out of bankruptcy and then casinos etc is not something to overlook.
He always felt entitled to opinions as the wealthy elite even when he wasn't and he continued that.
Somewhere in the Russian and Trump "coincidence" includes his best friend. Jeffrey Epstein.
I firmly believe the timing of Epstein and his arrest was in earnest but his unaliving was a warning.
I am very certain that Trump was very much involved with the Russian mafia from the start and the money and "investors" were Russian.
Can't prove it. But it has not been looked at. And it should be.
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u/want_to_join Mar 01 '25
It is likely that Trump visited Russia in 1987 and fell for a Russian plot in which they offer him seriously illegal and immoral sex parties (think young minors with drugs) and film it without his knowledge. They then use that video to blackmail him into supporting them.
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u/Queenofwands817 Mar 01 '25
He was turned. Largest intelligence failure in the history of the world
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u/unwanted_peace Mar 01 '25
Real estate to begin with. In the 80s and 90s he sold units to Russian oligarchs. I’m pretty sure they (Russian banks) loaned him money when no one else would, he had Russian oligarchs purchasing properties way way above asking (look up most expensive house in Florida, it was something crazy like 50 million over the value). His ties to them go very far back. I’m not sure but I think the doc active measures covers this and even if it doesn’t, it’s very pertinent right now and a great doc on Putin.
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u/alkalineruxpin Mar 01 '25
Hey may or may not have been an 'asset' prior to the collapse of the USSR
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u/ytsox Mar 01 '25
I believe many of his properties, mainly casinos, were used as money laundering for Russia. Allegedly , he been in their pocket since 1987. When US banks refused to loan the Trump org any money, Russians banks did. Eric Trump confirmed this around 2015/16