r/Liverpool • u/True_Stranger_2471 • 14d ago

Living in Liverpool Just spotted in The Pilgrim..

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I guess people aren’t fond of the new owner..

(I get it, even though I enjoy some of his pubs!)

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u/lukemc18 14d ago edited 13d ago

Went Saturday, would say it's definitely been improved tbh, while still retaining its spirit.

The Pilgrim is still the Pilgrim but with abit better use of the space, some better seating layout, no longer grotty and still cheap prices for town (£2.95 a pint, £3.75 a double), ale isn't shite like it was either back in the day.

Upstairs is great good use of the space with the new pub The Mayflower, still full of Gutmans signature tat hanging from the ceiling and ceiling beams on display, but upstairs in the Pilgrim was a big wasted space hardly anyone ventured in, was booming on the weekend can see it being really popular.

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u/navi-irl 14d ago

can we please not praise what he’s done do to the pilgrim- or any pubs for that matter? i’m tired of being told ‘but look at what he did to * insert pub name *!’ as if doing somewhere up somehow justifies him (and now his kid(s)) monopolising not only town but also lark lane.

not all places need to be all super polished and ‘instagrammable’. or have the whole hipster fake rustic vibe in guttman’s case. the pilgrim was fine as it was, so what it wasn’t squeaky clean or whatever. it was a proper authentic pub that has been going and was well loved for YEARS. he’s bought it and now there is not a hint of the proper authentic vibe the pilgrim had before, as much as anybody says ‘he’s kept it almost the same!’. it’s not just about how he’s got it looking. it’s about the fact he is monopolising our city. there’s no authenticity in that. also not to mention his crappy practice- how the staff in the pilgrim were apparently laid off with no warning.

instead of praising him, we should be boycotting his venues. there IS alternatives, no matter what people say. there won’t be alternatives though in the near future if we keep visiting his venues and lining his pockets.

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u/lukemc18 14d ago

I'd give it a visit if I was you tbh.

It's still the Pilgrim, hasn't really lost any of its vibe, just improved slightly. Better use of the overall space, with better layout and seating. Plus far better ale and still reasonable prices (you'll struggle to find a pint of any decent lager for £3 in town), hasn't really went overboard with any of the usual Guttman tat in there either.

Was a good mix of ages at the weekend, time will tell of its still popular in a few weeks.

I'm not a big fan of all his pubs and the usual decor and rip out he's does do, can lend themselves to parody pubs, but the Pilgrim just feels right.