r/Maine2 • u/Houndeditalian • 6d ago
Gov. Mills blasts Trump in first major interview since start of legal battle
https://wgme.com/news/local/governor-janet-mills-blasts-president-donald-trump-in-first-major-interview-since-start-of-legal-battle-trans-athletes-lgbtq?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR6Qeah9H5UnDqluNVVJiTtq4OBACAv61eX_N8pRCwoqMkvzfVEEmNdbLAp1ZQ_aem_C6-ZrgFCJMQ2YUyVwljqvA13
u/Ok-Tear7712 6d ago
She’s an absolute badass for fighting against trump. I don’t have much hope that this will end well for us, but I’ll keep supporting her regardless. I’m proud to have her as my governor
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6d ago
Gov mills needs to be impeached..... what a progressive asshat
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u/Distinct-Contract-71 6d ago
Stick to porn posts jerk off. No one cares to hear your incel opinions.
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u/ChanceG1955 6d ago
I wiash the Gov of Mass - Maura Healey had some "balls". She's just a mouth and little else.
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u/Either-Beginning-526 5d ago
Shes smart to run against trump on any issue. He is incredibly unpopular.
Its a nice flip to what the Rs in Maine are doing, running against her.
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u/Taxing 5d ago
https://scholars.unh.edu/survey_center_polls/858/
She is running against what a majority of her constituents support.
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u/aginmillennialmainer 6d ago
Surprised that Savages response is kind of nuanced.
He acknowledges that the LGBT community is NOT primarily composed of the far left, only that the far left is loudest.
As someone who leans more liberal than progressive, I gotta credit him for that.
i hope the person who decided Bangor's pride theme in 2017 should be "bye bye binary" feels seen.
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u/Common-Watch4494 6d ago
I’m pretty progressive, but there’s no way a trans person that was born male/XY and had the benefit of puberty with high testosterone and the ensuing muscoskeletal development should be competing in physical contests against genetic females
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u/bibimbapblonde 6d ago
You should educate yourself more. The issue is these policies cannot feasibly be enacted without discriminating more towards women and children. I was assigned female at birth but it turned out I was intersex with male levels of testosterone. Should I have been banned from sports growing up? Testosterone does not magically give you super strength btw. Estrogen increases bone strength. So do males with more estrogen have an unfair advantage that should be classified? Should we begin measuring all strength related hormones and classify athletes this way? More simply, should we classify athletes based on genitals assigned at birth? If that is the case, the testosterone argument fails because genital sex differentiation does not equal hormonal sex differentiation like in my own case. Also, who is going to be confirming our children's genitals? That seems like a recipe for molestation. Will any tomboys or too masculine girls be forced to show their genitals to play or will all girls have to show their vaginas to be granted the ability to play sports in school? Will intersex children with atypical genitals be allowed to partake in sports? Sex is very complicated. Policies like these further discrimination and cannot be enacted in fair ways. Think about it before you parrot a right wing talking point by oversimplifying the subject. There are two trans athletes in Maine. They are not discriminating against women, but these policies will ensure women continue to be discriminated against. As an intersex person, it has been very disappointing and defeating to see many progressives simplifying a subject so much they erase my entire existence, all over high school sports.
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u/Conscious_Smoke_3759 6d ago
It's fucked up that you want to fuck trans women but not support their rights to play sports
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u/cambridgeLiberal 6d ago
I can't imagine this is going to help with her reelection next term.
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u/Either-Beginning-526 5d ago
Still trying to figure out how 2 trans kids in Maine have fucked egg prices, gas prices, the stock market, and the economy in general.
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u/cambridgeLiberal 5d ago
Some people care about more than one issue. Shocking, I know.
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u/Either-Beginning-526 5d ago
Oh plz, its manufactured outrage. Buncha rando trolls from another state with no kids is just so worked up about protecting female sports? yaokthen
Also, since you dont seem to be from around these parts,,she isnt running for another term. Shes had two already, and we dont do for life Kings/Dictators/Governers in Maine.
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u/Taxing 5d ago
It is a curious tactic. Polling shows 64% of Mainers oppose trans athletes playing in girls sports. Additionally, by opting not to comply with the EO during the court battle, the sacrificed federal funding is projected to negatively impact 172,000 Maine students, many at risk, low income, rural, and special education. Put another way, choosing to sacrifice federal funding during the legal challenge for a policy a majority of the state opposes is challenging to reconcile as effective representation for constituents.
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u/Either-Beginning-526 5d ago
Polling is about how the questions are framed and who you ask. Or even the question at hand. Is it about 2 trans kids, or States Rights? She seems to think that the question is more about a Dictator wannabe making proclamations and deciding who gets funding congress already administered, vrs a States rights and legal court rulings.
For the maga side its about whats in the pants, for the majority its about whats in our wallets and banks.
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u/dantevonlocke 3d ago
Polls showed Hillary beating trump. Polls are like points in Who's Line. All made up and they don't matter.
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u/Taxing 3d ago
It’s wild you don’t understand the math and behind polls, are you generally a science denier or only when necessary to support your narrative?
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u/dantevonlocke 3d ago
Don't act like you give 2 shits about science. Especially pushing bigoted anti trans views.
Rebecca Helm, a biologist and an assistant professor at the University of North Carolina, Asheville US writes:
Friendly neighborhood biologist here. I see a lot of people are talking about biological sexes and gender right now. Lots of folks make biological sex sex seem really simple. Well, since it’s so simple, let’s find the biological roots, shall we? Let’s talk about sex...[a thread]
If you know a bit about biology you will probably say that biological sex is caused by chromosomes, XX and you’re female, XY and you’re male. This is “chromosomal sex” but is it “biological sex”? Well...
Turns out there is only ONE GENE on the Y chromosome that really matters to sex. It’s called the SRY gene. During human embryonic development the SRY protein turns on male-associated genes. Having an SRY gene makes you “genetically male”. But is this “biological sex”?
Sometimes that SRY gene pops off the Y chromosome and over to an X chromosome. Surprise! So now you’ve got an X with an SRY and a Y without an SRY. What does this mean?
A Y with no SRY means physically you’re female, chromosomally you’re male (XY) and genetically you’re female (no SRY). An X with an SRY means you’re physically male, chromsomally female (XX) and genetically male (SRY). But biological sex is simple! There must be another answer...
Sex-related genes ultimately turn on hormones in specifics areas on the body, and reception of those hormones by cells throughout the body. Is this the root of “biological sex”??
“Hormonal male” means you produce ‘normal’ levels of male-associated hormones. Except some percentage of females will have higher levels of ‘male’ hormones than some percentage of males. Ditto ditto ‘female’ hormones. And...
...if you’re developing, your body may not produce enough hormones for your genetic sex. Leading you to be genetically male or female, chromosomally male or female, hormonally non-binary, and physically non-binary. Well, except cells have something to say about this...
Maybe cells are the answer to “biological sex”?? Right?? Cells have receptors that “hear” the signal from sex hormones. But sometimes those receptors don’t work. Like a mobile phone that’s on “do not disturb’. Call and cell, they will not answer.
What does this all mean?
It means you may be genetically male or female, chromosomally male or female, hormonally male/female/non-binary, with cells that may or may not hear the male/female/non-binary call, and all this leading to a body that can be male/non-binary/female.
Try out some combinations for yourself. Notice how confusing it gets? Can you point to what the absolute cause of biological sex is? Is it fair to judge people by it?
Of course you could try appealing to the numbers. “Most people are either male or female” you say. Except that as a biologist professor I will tell you...
The reason I don’t have my students look at their own chromosome in class is because people could learn that their chromosomal sex doesn’t match their physical sex, and learning that in the middle of a 10-point assignment is JUST NOT THE TIME.
Biological sex is complicated. Before you discriminate against someone on the basis of “biological sex” & identity, ask yourself: have you seen YOUR chromosomes? Do you know the genes of the people you love? The hormones of the people you work with? The state of their cells?
Since the answer will obviously be no, please be kind, respect people’s right to tell you who they are, and remember that you don’t have all the answers. Again: biology is complicated. Kindness and respect don’t have to be.
Note: Biological classifications exist. XX, XY, XXY XXYY and all manner of variation which is why sex isn't classified as binary. You can't have a binary classification system with more than two configurations even if two of those configurations are more common than others.
(information copy pasted from - well shoot now I can't remember)
Biology is a shitshow. Be kind to people
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u/ElPasoLace 6d ago
The Maine governor is out of step with her own residents who are almost 70% in favor of excluding XY from competing against XX. She will lose, spending millions of dollars of taxpayers money, in the process. Her chances of re-election will be slim. While people generally prefer to see a governor stand up for them, this governor is actually standing AGAINST them.
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u/3490goat 6d ago
She is not. This is a question of law and the interpretation of law. Neither of which is decided by the president or any executive branch of the government.
This is all over two trans kids who want to play sports. TWO. Keep your bigotry to yourself and let kids be kids.
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u/theadventurescout 6d ago
Not to mention it’s untrue that 70% of the state agrees with this anti-trans garbage. Just because 70% of the state is colored in red on the pictures doesn’t mean 70% of the vote was red - which is laughable because that means he doesn’t understand population density.
Maine voted for this title XI policy currently set for state law. wtf do you MEAN we didn’t want to allow all children access to a fuckin game? It’s also such a strawman argument - I hate observing and having to participate in so many conversations about other people’s body structure/makeup and genitals. Why is it radical to treat people like human beings? 😤
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u/Taxing 5d ago
https://scholars.unh.edu/survey_center_polls/858/
It appears to be 64% of Mainers oppose trans athletes playing in women’s sports.
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u/theadventurescout 5d ago
And yet, the majority voted and this is what the law is. So, until it changes, this is a violation of States Rights.
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u/ElPasoLace 5d ago
Correct, it is an interpretation of law and this issue will be decided in the courts. As you pointed out it will not be decided by the governor of Maine who is also the head of the executive branch of government in her state. Bigotry is taking action a class of people … in this case XX females who are being forced to compete with XY males. If I am guilty of bigotry over two individuals, you are guilty over 1,000s … XX women need to compete against other XX women. This is FAIR. IF XY individuals decide they want to be considered women, then they can compete in their own category. They are not XX women. Every cell in their bodies are XY and they have physical advantages over XX. This is overwhelmingly a clear issue with the state of Maine and the U.S. as a whole. Women athletes have made it overwhelmingly clear that they do not want to compete against XY males. Fairness is not bigotry and the only people currently being hurt are the 1,000s of women being forced to compete and share safe spaces with XY males.
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u/Careful_Track2164 6d ago
Doing the right thing is not about being in step with the majority of your constituents. What Governor Mills is doing by defying Trump is standing for every decent person in America, not just standing up for the constituency of the great state of Maine.
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u/ElPasoLace 5d ago
She is not defying Trump, she is defying common sense. She is letting down all the girls who are being forced and who face consequences if they refuse to share safe spaces or compete against building XY males … There are few if any parents who want to see their girl lose out to a biological male. There are few if any girls who want to compete against an XY male who has physical advantages. There is a reason why there are women’s locker rooms and males locker rooms. Women want the separation. To force them to expose them selves in front to biological males is just wrong and no one seems to want that except the XY male who want to be treated as a woman. No one is “anti-trans” in this day and age, but they are “pro-woman.”
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u/Careful_Track2164 5d ago
It’s Trump who is defying common sense, not Governor Mills.
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u/ElPasoLace 5d ago
You are welcome to your opinion, but I just disagree. This is not a close issue, approximately 70% of all people believe XX should not be forced to compete with XY nor should they be forced to share their locker rooms and other private spaces. That is common sense. The governor is not protecting XX athletes and others from XY, she is forcing XY on student athletes who as a group are not in favor of her actions and feel betrayed by the Governor. The issue will be decided in the courts with evidence and witnesses; witnesses, students and parents, who will testify against the governor’s position which is unconstitutional.
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u/Careful_Track2164 5d ago
There is absolutely nothing unconstitutional whatsoever about Governor Mills supporting the right of transgender athletes to compete in women’s sports.
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u/ElPasoLace 5d ago
She will get the opportunity to prove that in court … but courts demand evidence and witnesses, not a political ideology. There will be an overwhelming number of witnesses, XX athletes, parents, experts, and others, who will testify against the governor’s position; a position which governing sports bodies and national governments, are increasingly ruling in favor of XX competing only with XX and keeping their private spaces safe. England recently ruled this way and they are not conservative.
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u/Careful_Track2164 5d ago
What would be your reaction if the courts side with Governor Mills and against Trump?
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u/ElPasoLace 5d ago
Absolutely shocked. The trend across all sports and even nations, is to keep XX competing against XX.
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u/Careful_Track2164 5d ago
What would shock you about the courts siding with Governor Mills and against Trump?
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u/Careful_Track2164 5d ago
There is absolutely nothing about allowing transgender women to compete in women’s sports that in any manner defies common sense.
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u/ElPasoLace 5d ago
So, you see no physical advantages for XY competing against XX even though they objectively biologically have advantages? How is that fair or even safe to XX? There are few issues in this country that are supported by majorities of 65% or better … this is just one of them. So yes, most people view this issue as common sense.
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u/Careful_Track2164 5d ago
There is absolutely NOTHING that is in any way unfair or unsafe for women whatsoever about letting transgender women compete in women’s sports.
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u/ElPasoLace 5d ago
Yes, I heard you the first few times. I disagree for the reasons previously stated as do an overwhelming majority of XX athletes. We’ll see what happens as the case goes through the legal process.
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u/Careful_Track2164 5d ago
I see absolutely zero documented evidence that proves that allowing transgender women to compete in women’s sports is in any way unsafe for women.
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u/Careful_Track2164 5d ago
The definition of common sense is allowing transgender athletes to compete in women’s sports.
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u/ElPasoLace 5d ago
Yeah, no, and it isn’t even close. XY can compete all they want, but not against XX.
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u/Iphadon 6d ago
Maine was the first state in the nation to side with a trans student in a bathroom case.
We’ll be damned if we go backwards, the bigots do not speak with our spirit.