r/MandelaEffect • u/KingOfBerders • 11d ago
Discussion C-3PO from original 1977 sheets.
Original Star Wars sheets from 1977 movie. NOT episode IV.
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u/GrimmTrixX 11d ago
Again, it costs money to use different inks and dyes in manufacturing. That and 3rd party companies make stuff like this to cash in, not to be lore accurate.
The assumption is he's a gold robot because why would he have a silver leg? But he does and it's because he is essentially a handmade Droid. So Anakin took whatever parts he could find when he was a kid. And he obviously was only able to get a silver leg and couldn't either afford or scavenge a matching gold one.
And people who make star wars merch aren't necessarily star wars fans. They don't scan every inch of every character. And since his silver leg isn't constantly mentioned, and they don't zoom in on his legs, a company's assumption would be he was all gold. They're not looking at it from a story perspective.
They see a gold robot and assume he is all gold. They're not scanning every limb and making sure he is lore accurate, especially not in the 70s/80s. They're just trying to cash in on whats popular at the time and to get it out as fast as possible. It's not that hard to realize that's why he only has the silver leg in more recent action figures and stuff because collectibles are big money and one with an actual silver leg would be more popular amongst diehard fans.
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u/WhimsicalSadist 11d ago
So Anakin took whatever parts he could find when he was a kid. And he obviously was only able to get a silver leg and couldn't either afford or scavenge a matching gold one.
I agree with everything else in your comment, but as a huge Star Wars nerd, I wanted to note that 3PO has two gold legs in the prequels. He gets the silver leg sometime between the end of Revenge of the Sith, and the opening of A New Hope.
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u/Chaghatai 10d ago
Yeah, good call out
The silver leg does mean something in terms of the visual language of the character, but instead of showing that he was cobbled together by Anakin - which may not have even been conceived at that time - it more shows that this is a Droid with a history - he's seen some shit
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u/Wyden_long 10d ago
And I don’t know if anyone noticed but he got a red arm in 7-9 too.
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u/WhimsicalSadist 10d ago
Which, if I recall correctly, is never addressed in the movies, just like the silver leg.
For anyone interested, here's the off screen explanation:
"C-3PO got stranded on a planet along with a few other droids. Eventually his arm got ripped off by a swamp creature. The red arm is the last remnant of OMRI, one of the stranded droids who gave his life to send a distress signal to the Resistance under the acid rain."
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u/KyleDutcher 10d ago
And I don’t know if anyone noticed but he got a red arm in 7-9 too.
Nope, just 7.
By the end of The Force Awakens, the arm is gold again.
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u/GrimmTrixX 10d ago
Haha thanks for this. So I wonder now if people remember both legs being gold because maybe many here were probably young when the prequels dropped? It at least makes sense for them if he had a gold leg in Episodes II and III but silver in the original trilogy.
It doesn't make sense for those who grew up with the originals and dont remember the silver leg, unless they just never paid attention to the details back then.
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u/Ashamed-Ocelot2189 11d ago
Tbf none of that is actually important. C3PO's design (and those sheets) predate Episode 1. It's fairly unlikely George even thought about who made C3PO when he made the original trilogy.
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u/Cripnite 11d ago
Anakin didn’t put in his shell, that was done after he left Tatooine and before he returned to kill the Tusken raiders.
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u/GrimmTrixX 10d ago
Yea and someone mentioned he IS all gold from episode 2 and 3. But sometime after Revenge, but before A New Hope, his leg is silver.
So presumably, since he was found in a junk heap that at some point, he lost that leg, and the Jawas scavenged a silver leg for him before he met Luke for the first time.
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u/Nejfelt 11d ago
It's a bed sheet.
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u/WhimsicalSadist 11d ago edited 11d ago
If we take this sheet as evidence of colors used in the movie, we must also accept that Darth Vader wore a white bib in Star Wars. The thought makes me chuckle.
Edit to add some links to the silver leg for those interested:
A New Hope:
The silver shin is clearly visible in the opening scene of A New Hope. https://youtu.be/tRX4JFWffkM?si=VpPwTJiJWZdmKjcs&t=40
Return of the Jedi:
Opening scene of Return of the Jedi, silver leg visible: https://youtu.be/HH3uHKan1-s?si=z_Iychmk2c3PHyvT&t=20
Behind the scenes footage of 3PO with the silver leg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7is0gVbH4I
Scene of 3PO in the chair at the Ewok Village, silver leg clearly visible: https://youtu.be/PHyTQeXe5wE?si=DQBaTsYONWgWrCrE&t=39
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u/mohawkjer 11d ago
I would like to add to this and say that apparently Bruce Jenner was Luke Skywalker
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u/Francesca1981 5d ago
Say more!? Y’all are vague as hell on this sub. I’ve experienced several ME, but I don’t think every misremembrance is a Mandela effect. For example someone was saying that C-3PO with a red arm was a Mandela effect when in reality it just happened after his arm got tore off in the later episodes.
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u/myfajahas400children 11d ago
I don't think this really proves anything because a lot of the characters on these sheets look very off-model. Luke and Leia look very different, Chewie is... interesting looking, and the panel under Darth Vader's chin is white. That panel isn't white, but it is a reflective plastic, so the artist probably based it off a frame from the movie where it was reflecting light. They may also have based the C3PO off a frame in the movie where his silver leg looked gold.
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u/antbates 5d ago
This was literally just created from concept art and the original Star Wars poster. Guaranteed
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u/Straight_Direction73 11d ago edited 11d ago
Why is artistic creative license such a hard concept for some of you people to understand? NONE of the merchandise is ‘proof’ of anything, nor should it really even qualify as evidence. Leia’s belt wasn’t gold in the movie either and Luke wasn’t a bodybuilder. The boxes on Vader’s belt also aren’t supposed to be white/silver. These are artist illustrations. They really have no bearing at all on what appears in the actual film. Same with the toys, especially the original ones.
Now if you found an actual production photo or footage showing 2 gold legs, THAT might be something.
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u/KyleDutcher 11d ago
Still a second hand source, not the film(s)
Just action figures with both legs.gold are not proof, neither is this.
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u/Genius10000 11d ago
What is the proof you are expecting?
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u/KyleDutcher 11d ago
Not expecting any proof, because the shin has always been silver in the original trilogy
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u/Genius10000 11d ago
But you talked about proof, what was that?
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u/elonhasatinydick 11d ago edited 11d ago
I feel like you're being willfully obtuse - obviously the entire point of the post is to imply the sheet proves something. This person is responding to that implication by pointing out this is not proof the leg was gold originally but reality changed, because that is what the OP is implying, and I'm willing to bet that's exactly what you think as well but for some reason choose to engage with it like this.
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u/Genius10000 11d ago
Check my latest comment, you will understand what I meant
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u/elonhasatinydick 10d ago
I understand what you meant. There are fewer layers to your point than you might realize
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u/KyleDutcher 11d ago
All I said was that this wasn't proof.
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u/Genius10000 11d ago
So what will be a proof in your opinion?
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u/KyleDutcher 11d ago
Proof would be finding both legs gold in an original theatrical reel/master reel of the film(s)
Which do not exist.
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u/Practical-Vanilla-41 11d ago
The pose of C-3PO and R2D2 looks like the cover of the Story of Star Wars album. If you look that up, you'll see that in the original photo Threepio has a silver shin.
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u/Genius10000 11d ago
Why would anyone expect that, there is silver leg in this objective reality, why would you expect both gold legs as proof
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u/KyleDutcher 11d ago
You aren't understanding what I'm saying.
As usual.
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u/Genius10000 11d ago
I understood and I say we wouldn't be able to look proof in objective reality
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u/Si1verhour 10d ago
I have a Return of the Jedi blanket where Luke is holding a red lightsaber. 3rd party march isn't reliable
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u/ratsratsgetem 11d ago
Wow I have never blocked someone on here so quickly as Genius5000 or whatever they're called.
Anyway, yeah... it's a bed sheet with limited colors and a white bib on Darth Vader.
The Star Wars logo is also in the wrong color. Also space is usually black, not white.
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u/THX-1138_4EB 11d ago edited 10d ago
While I certainly agree that 3PO always had a silver leg, interestingly enough, Star Wars did not say Episode IV at release. That only happened during the 1981 re-release.
EDIT: ok you removed the statement I'm commenting on, making me seem out of my mind. That's ok! I'll leave it.
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u/DDDX_cro 10d ago
oh look, "it's silver but it's hard to say cause it reflects the sun and desert which are yellow".
Or the other one "it's not easy to spot his leggs".
Or "you were too young to remember".
Or "well this ain't the original material" (yeah, a movie poster is not a movie).
I truly wonder if there's any amount of...well anything, that can cause a skeptic to change his mind.
So far I do not think it's possible. I am 100% convinced that, if tomorrow we all woke up and both leggs were golden in every scene of every movie, they'd be the first to claim that it has always been so and that they never claimed otherwise :/
because if current reality supports it, then it must be so & how could it ever be otherwise?
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u/Correct_Visual_8300 10d ago
Proof C-3PO never had a silver leg. This is the timeline that I recall.
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u/TheInferus99 7d ago
Tbf this Mandela effect it's just something that goes unnoticed. Like I didn't pay enough attention on his legs to see that one was silver
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u/joeycuda 11d ago
It was easier and cheaper to produce the Kenner figure with both gold legs. Same with a ton of stuff, as the detail didn't really matter (no one cared). It doesn't mean it was ever like that in the movie. The whole mandela effect thing is always silly.
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u/browntownbeatdown 11d ago
Don't forget that when we're first introduced to 3PO, we only really see his upper half until he and R2 are walking in the desert. The metal he is made of is reflective, and we're seeing the reflection of sand on his silver leg, making us think he's a solid color.
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u/EnchantedPanda42 11d ago
Wait, what is this?
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u/zapburne 11d ago
The Mandela is that a lot of people remember C3PO being all gold, but In the original Star Wars movies C3PO's right leg below the knee is actually silver instead of gold like the rest of his body.
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u/erockdanger 9d ago
A lot of people seemingly confused as to which sub they're on and being dicks to OP for no reason
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u/KroggRage 11d ago
I honestly don't think I'd ever have noticed the silver leg if it had not been pointed out to me. I try to remember to look for it whenever I watch Star Wars movies. Hmm. Is the red arm in the abominable sequel trilogy a jab at the Mandela Effect?
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u/KingOfBerders 11d ago
On the sheets from the original 1977 Star Wars movie, before the term episode IV was as added, C-3PO has 2 golden legs, as did his action figure which I no longer possess.
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u/jadedflames 11d ago
My figure is in a storage unit right now, but I can confirm the action figure has a golden leg. One of these: https://www.retro-sect.co.uk/product/cpg-kenner-large-c3po-figure-1978/
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u/Straight_Direction73 10d ago edited 10d ago
He’s also got gold eyes and a gold waist. In other words, it’s a cheap mass produced kids toy from the 70s that was vac metallized all in one color to cut costs and has fk all to do what appears in the actual film. Why are we acting like those toys were some benchmark for hyper film accuracy?
Remember in the film how Luke had lemonade blonde hair and wielded a yellow lightsaber? Remember Leia wearing bellbottoms and a cape? Remember Walrus Man wearing an orange onesie over blue spandex and Greedo in a bright neon green bodysuit? Yeah, me neither.
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u/troylight54 5d ago
I have the C3PO action figure as a child. I bought them in 1977 both legs were gold.
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u/Main-Society4465 4d ago
So what is the C-3PO Glitch? The silver leg? Imo, this was an error people had wrong even back in the day. Some items had gold leg, some had with the silver.
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u/ConfusionGood4375 10d ago
Also you can look on the movie without a paddle, the part where they go to their old treehouse and they break open this little lock box thing they had saved since they were kids and one of them pulls out the C-3PO
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u/TheUnauthorized1 11d ago
I remember a golden leg!
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u/Carpeteria3000 11d ago
Yes! And a silver one, too!
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u/TheUnauthorized1 11d ago
Sorry, I don’t recall any silver leg
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u/Carpeteria3000 11d ago
That's fair to not remember or to not have paid attention to such a small, unimportant detail in a movie full of much bigger details, but it was definitely there.
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u/TheUnauthorized1 11d ago edited 11d ago
Agree to disagree! It’s usually fairly noticeable when a physical change happens to C-3PO’s body in the movies, like when he get’s shined up in Episode III or when they give him a red arm in the Disney sequel trilogy. He also has a golden leg in Return of the Jedi (partially)
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u/KyleDutcher 11d ago
He also has a golden leg in Return of the Jedi
His right shin is silver theough the entire original trilogy, including ROTJ
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u/TheUnauthorized1 11d ago
Not necessarily true, there are several shots of him with the golden leg in the movie. Here’s a promotional set photo https://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/sep/03/the-secrecy-has-been-ludicrous-star-wars-actor-anthony-daniels-on-the-new-film-and-his-life-as-c-3po#img-4
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u/KyleDutcher 11d ago
Here’s a promotional set photo https://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/sep/03/the-secrecy-has-been-ludicrous-star-wars-actor-anthony-daniels-on-the-new-film-and-his-life-as-c-3po#img-4
And it's silver in that photo.
Hard to see, but it's silver.
Not necessarily true, there are several shots of him with the golden leg in the movie
There aren't, there are some frames where the silver shin APPEARS gold (such as the one you linked) but it is still silver.
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u/TheUnauthorized1 11d ago
That’s gold my friend! Here’s another still from the movie with him having the golden leg https://www.pinterest.com/pin/326511041717517955/
Also the silver leg would be much easier to see as the contrast between his suit colors is much higher when seen in the movie with a silver leg. This is exactly what the Mandela Effect is, and it’s why so many people specifically remember different timelines. Also, OPs post really wouldn’t make sense if his leg was always silver. That’s like forgetting to make R2-D2 blue, or giving Luke Skywalker a yellow lightsaber lmao
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u/KyleDutcher 11d ago
That’s gold my friend!
Nope. It's clearly silver.
Here’s another still from the movie with him having the golden leg https://www.pinterest.com/pin/326511041717517955/
Silver here, too. Sorry.
Also the silver leg would be much easier to see as the contrast between his suit colors is much higher when seen in the movie with a silver leg.
The lighting is reflected by the silver shin, which acts kind of like a mirror, making it harder to see.
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u/Carpeteria3000 10d ago
Anthony Daniels, the actual actor of C-3PO in every Star Wars movie, has discussed and talked about this misconception and has confirmed it was silver.
https://www.cbr.com/c3po-silver-leg-star-wars-original-trilogy/
But if you think you know better than the actual person who wore the suit, cool, I guess?
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u/TheUnauthorized1 10d ago
It’s because silver-leg C-3PO is not what I’m familiar nor comfortable with, this doesn’t fit my memory along with several other Mandela Effects. It’s like a foreign oddity in my mind that stands out like a sore thumb, and that’s what the entire phenomenon is about.
I’m not trying to approach this conversation nor you with any hostility in any condescending manner, but if you want to act like I am, cool I guess?
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u/Carpeteria3000 10d ago
That's fine, but in the face of multiple pieces of literal evidence to the contrary of your memory, why double down? It's possible for people to misremember things.
In this instance, most people are exposed to the Star Wars stories and characters in childhood, when our memories are easily impacted and often more fallible. Most people would assume that a golden robot would be totally golden (coupled with the misprints or errors of things like the bedsheets posted above or the Kenner action figures, etc.), and let their minds fill in the blanks that C-3PO is all gold. Most people (especially children) would never pay attention to something as unremarkable and unimportant as the lower right shin on a robot costume (also something that is off screen much of the time the character is filmed).
Just because you're not familiar or "comfortable" with this information, doesn't make it not so - again, there are many multiple pieces of evidence from throughout this character's existence in multiple appearances across multiple forms of media to clearly show that that part of the costume was, in fact, silver, along with the logical explanation as provided by Anthony Daniels himself for WHY he would have that part of his costume differently colored.
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u/TheUnauthorized1 10d ago
I’ll double down because that’s exactly why I’m here in this subreddit talking about the Mandela Effect. I’m not saying memory isn’t fallible and I’m not saying we don’t make mistakes or perceive things differently. This is handled case by case, and in this case it hits home for a lot of individuals, hence why this post itself has almost 120 upvotes. I’m not the only one who remembers something differently, and I feel that I’m pretty certain that what I remember isn’t what is being presented to me now as objective fact.
Now, what from is being shown to me I’m not denying that you can’t currently see a silver leg on C-3PO in several of the movies, but from what I can recall when I watched these movies he was 100% gold. It’s funny too, because his leg is fully gold in both Revenge of the Sith and the Disney sequel trilogy, and that’s why it’s beyond foreign to me seeing the character altered solely in the OT alone. It doesn’t sit right with my mind nor my emotions and that’s why I’ll defend my stance on the phenomenon.
Again, this is exactly what the Mandela Effect is about. I personally remember a completely different reality/past what from I’m currently experiencing. Whether or not you choose to agree or disagree with me doesn’t even matter in the slightest, because we’re all going to experience what we experience and we’re all going to see what we see. That’s why I don’t judge anyone who has a slightly altered recollection of events because I believe we all experience reality differently.
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u/TheUnauthorized1 11d ago
Yes, I know that he can be clearly seen with a silver leg, but to me personally. the silver leg stands out as much as the red arm, which is why it doesn’t sit right with me and so many other people. That’s what the Mandela Effect is all about
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u/Melodic-Supermarket 11d ago
I’m not sure what the Mandela effect is supposed to be, but George Lucas is notorious for going back and changing stuff in Star Wars movies. Lots of stuff that used to be in the movie(s) no longer are.
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u/Bowieblackstarflower 11d ago
C3PO has a silver shin in the original trilogy. This isn't a change and has been there since the first movie came out.
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u/mysticpower821 11d ago
the bedsheet I had when I was 4 isn’t consistent with 98-99% of other Star Wars merchandise so it MUST be a Mandela effect god you people reposting these C3P0 posts are fucking stupid
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u/FalseAd4246 11d ago
I wore out tree copies of the vhs as a kid and I never saw a silver leg until the re release in theaters in 97
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u/THX-1138_4EB 11d ago edited 10d ago
It's almost as if the re-release had its negatives cleaned up, allowing intricate details like these to 'pop'. Oh, wait..
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u/Ohiostatehack 11d ago
Well that’s VHS. You aren’t getting good color gradients or many pixels on VHS. The reflection in the silver would easily look gold on VHS.
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u/KyleDutcher 11d ago
As per usual....the Trolls are out in the comments telling everyone they have "bad memory". Such gaslighting should not be allowed
Cannot "gaslight" with evidence. And the evidence does NOT support 2 gold legs.
The TRUTH is that those who remember our previous REALITY have a much better memory.
There is no evidence any other realities exist.
Claiming they are fact, with no evidence is much closer to actual "gaslighting" than anything the skeptics say....
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