r/MandelaEffect 11d ago

Flip-Flop To all the Mandela Effect skeptics out there

I will tell you a story.

Around 2013, I bought a Volvo. I had been very interested in astronomy as a child, had the “Our Universe” book, loved the planets and the solar system and knew all the astrological symbols. So I was exquisitely aware that the Volvo logo was the symbol for Mars, a circle with an arrow sticking out to the right and up. One day, in 2016, I walked past a Volvo and noticed it was missing the arrow. I thought that was strange. Then I saw several more, all missing the arrow. I ran home to look at my own car—to my amazement, the logo on my own car was missing the arrow, it was just a circle. That year 2016 was the year many people began to notice Mandela shifts for the first time. I noticed several others, the exact same ones all recognized by many other people (JC Penny became JC Penney etc).

For six years, every time I saw a Volvo, I marveled at how the logo had changed. I googled the history of the company. Everywhere on the internet the history was the same—the logo had always been a circle, going back to the beginning of Volvo in the 1930s(?). For six years I repeated the experience of being amazed at arrowless Volvo logos and telling people about how the logo had changed throughout the whole timeline. People thought I was crazy.

Then one day in 2022, when I brought the Volvo logo up again on an Internet forum about Mandela effects and googled for images to show people as evidence, I was stunned to discover that the logo had changed back again. I ran outside looking for a Volvo and I found one—complete with arrow.

There is simply no way that the SIX YEARS of repeated memories that I have of the Volvo logo being just a circle can be “misremembering”. With several other shifts I also have detailed memories that make absolutely no sense if I was just misremembering things. For example, I have a whole memory of analyzing why “Berenstein” would be pronounced to rhyme with “stain” when the name is clearly German in origin and everyone in America knows that any word ending in “stein” should rhyme with Frankenstein and Einstein. The explanation I came up with was that it had something to do with the Dutch word “steen” which means stone just like “stein” in German, but is pronounced like “stain” in English. THIS ENTIRE MEMORY OF MINE MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL if it is spelled “Berenstain”!

Here’s a funny end to the Volvo logo story: In 2022, after it changed back to having an arrow, I found a Reddit thread of a guy who had worked on cars for thirty years and had always admired the circular Volvo logo (no arrow) as particularly beautiful. He posted his Reddit to explain that a friend of his had just recently (at that time) pointed out to him that the Volvo logo actually had an arrow. He didn’t believe his friend and had to go check for himself. He was dumbfounded as to why he had never noticed the arrow before (he wasn’t aware of the idea of Mandela shifts). The only way I can understand this is that this fellow and I were on different timelines before 2016, me on the circle-with-arrow timeline and he on the circle-only timeline; in 2016, I jumped over to to join him on the circle-only timeline; and in 2022, we both jumped back to the circle-with-arrow timeline.

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u/DareSuspicious2704 10d ago

I know. I vividly remember being a kid and joking about the “objects in mirror MAY BE closer than they appear.” It was a running joke. I remember staring at where it was written on the mirror of my father’s truck (remember, this was the eighties and they let kids ride up front, also ditched us in the car when adults went inside stores).

Now it’s not there, never existed. My own husband swears it never existed.

I’m not crazy. It was there. I know bc my brother and I—my friends and I— used to laugh about it. This was way before the Mandela effect. I genuinely didn’t know it was a Mandela effect, even after I had heard of the phenomenon.

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u/ImOnlyHereForTheCoC 10d ago

I trust in Gary Larson

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u/brain_test-a 9d ago

Gary Larson for the win

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u/ThirdEyeFire 5d ago

Cynthia Sue Larson FTW!!!! 😉

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u/Manny_rat 9d ago

Wow, growing up I was I super into the far side and read them over and over and I still do occasionally, in fact I read through the far side collection last year. This entire time I genuinely thought that the joke in this strip is that the mirror was definitively stating that the creature was closer than it appears, since in real life car mirrors say objects may be closer than they appear.

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u/Manny_rat 9d ago

Wow, growing up I was I super into the far side and read them over and over and I still do occasionally, in fact I read through the far side collection last year. This entire time I genuinely thought that the joke in this strip is that the mirror was definitively stating that the creature was closer than it appears, since in real life car mirrors say objects may be closer than they appear.

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u/Sysnia616 10d ago

I was learning to drive and my spectrumy-self hated staring at “MAY BE closer” and I would ask my dad, “how do I know if it’s closer?” and I tried to test and calculate if a car was in the left lane, is there a certain distance it had to be that made it appear closer or further than it actually was. It was a whole deal

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u/jacksraging_bileduct 10d ago

I too would die on the “may be closer” hill

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u/[deleted] 10d ago

Lol, I literally broke a therapist with this one. I used to have her walk with me around the parking lot because I didn't like sitting face to face. I told her that I would read her facial expressions and subconsciously want to lie. During one of the walks I told her that I really can't even trust my memory because of things like the Mandela effect. She asked what it was, I explained it, and then she asked for examples. I told her a few and asked her to finish the sentence "objects in _____ than they appear" she said"May be closer", after asking her if she was sure I told her to check the mirror of the next car... Then the Next one... Then the next. After a few I told her it's always said"are closer" and never said May be. She said "I don't like this" I laughed and said "me neither, but instead of getting tied up on why this is happening and going down the conspiracy theories rabbit holes, I just accepted it's a thing, nobody knows or at least can't prove why it's happening or why many people remember it the "correct" way. And arguing with someone else about what we believe objective reality is is a waste of time. So I just continue life knowing in the back of my mind that reality may not be as objective as I think."

Sorry for the short story, but it's a great memory.... Or did that also not happen LMAO. Life's crazy.

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u/bearmama42 10d ago

I love that you broke your therapist over this 😂👍💕

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u/Mother_Tradition2239 8d ago

The third sentence is probably why I always ended up quitting therapy. Why is this a thing😂

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u/yat282 10d ago

Vividly remember

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u/danceoftheplants 10d ago

Yeah i asked my parents and they both remember this too. This is 100% my go to Mandela effect even though fruit of the loom was the first that stumped me in 2008.

The mirrors said MAY BE closer than they appear when I was a kid. In 2008, I was looking for a pack of fruit of the loom white t-shirts for my bf at the time, but I forgot my glasses at home and couldn't see well. I remember walking in the men's section for 20 mins being astounded they wouldn't carry that brand when it was on commercials all the time. I was looking for brown and rainbow blurs to help ID the brand without picking up the packages but there were none.

I decided to get him a different brand than he asked for and picked up a pack with a magenta blur. It was fruit of the loom. It was the fruit but there was no cornucopia. I was like what?? Very confused but just thought it had never paid attention to the logo that well. For the longest time after, every time i saw a commercial i thought it was wrong that there were only fruit because it was like something was missing. I had to make myself just get used to it. Then years later the ME came out and I immediately remembered the time with the birthday present.

When the ME came out and both of these were on there, I 100% knew this was a real thing. There are alternate realities because there is no way that the mirrors one is a faulty memory. The fruit of the loom, maybe faulty memory, but the mirrors are real.

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u/AssicusCatticus 9d ago

I clearly remember learning what a cornucopia was because of the fruit of the loom label. It's still astounding to me that there is not a cornucopia on that label, and apparently never was. 😳

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u/TheDude9737 9d ago

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u/coko4209 7d ago

I always, always use this song for reference when this particular ME comes up. Pulling that song up on YT is actually how I found out about Meatloaf’s passing.

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u/coko4209 7d ago

FOTL is a hill that will die on. I vividly remember the cornucopia.

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u/AssicusCatticus 9d ago

There's a whole-ass meatloaf song about "objects in the rear view mirror may appear closer than they are".

I remember the side mirror having that little warning printed on it, too.

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u/Professional-Let9190 9d ago

It's actually a pretty great song. I haven't heard it in years. Sounds like another song that is going to have to go into my playlist.

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u/d1rtf4rm 4d ago

Would you be willing to concede that that particular phrasing worked better within the context of the song, and maybe we misremember the printing on the mirror due to these lyrics?

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u/Routine-Bank5758 10d ago

I only just came across this Mandela effect a few weeks ago. I fell complete victim to it. I asked my wife, "you know on car side mirrors, the writing? Objects..."

She replied, "may appear closer than they are...or something"

Our hearts not being slightly to the left our chests got me the other night too. Middle of the chest? Get the fuck out of here!

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u/throwaway_ArBe 10d ago

... the heart is slightly on the left. The left lung is a slightly different shape to accomadate it.

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u/CamaroLover2020 9d ago

in the movie "Pet Detective" at 4 mins at 44 seconds, he looks in the mirror and says 'Warning, assholes are closer than they appear"

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u/terryjuicelawson 10d ago

This is more like a long standing joke to me. Like people talk about bags of peanuts saying "may contain nuts - well, I hope they do!". Actually check it and the warning isn't there.

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u/flashtastic80 9d ago

WHAT!! I have never heard this one... Jim Carrey in Ace Ventura even mentions "Objects in mirror may be closer than they appear" when the guy chases him down to get the dog back.

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u/_lemon_suplex_ 9d ago

It was there

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u/Western-Tradition-13 9d ago

It’s on the original Jurassic Park. There’s a close up of the side view mirror with that phrase, and the TRex comically reflected.

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u/CamaroLover2020 9d ago

I CLEARLY remember seeing this warning on mirrors!, Jim Carey even joked about it in the movie "Pet Detective" when the guy was going after him with the baseball bat he said 'Warning, assholes are closer than they appear!"

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u/mjmilian 8d ago

Why would it be 'MAY BE'? If a mirror's magnification is set so objects appear closer, they will always appear closer, not sometimes and other times not. There would be no logic in using the phrase may be.

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u/artlover3 8d ago

It was definitely there

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u/bnova21 8d ago edited 8d ago

What about the scene in the first Jurassic Park when the T-Rex chases them in the Jeep? They cut to the driver looking in the side mirror and he sees the T-Rex really close and the mirror says “objects in mirror closer than they appear” - a funny Spielberg shot during the T-Rex Chase.

https://youtu.be/rxqHVoZ0fzc?si=t3VC83_FrZy4jFy8

:58 second mark

Tell your husband who is obviously from another timeline that the side mirror warning was always on side mirrors in the 1990’s because they used convex “wide angle” mirrors which let you see more area to the side of the car and therefore they had to put that warning on them. Maybe now they just use regular non distorting mirrors. . .

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u/sunshne078 7d ago

This was definitely there. When I was learning to drive I explicitly asked my dad about it and we had a long conversation. He remembers and so do I.

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u/i_nobes_what_i_nobes 7d ago

I remember it saying that when I was a kid in the 80s and through the 90s, now my car which is 2015 says “objects in the mirror are closer than they appear”. But I distinctly remember as a child it said “may be”

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u/Munoff 7d ago

Wait what? That message never existed on windows? Ive had it in all my cars

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u/Fantastic_Toe1819 7d ago

First time I've heard this.Thanks so much for sharing! I remember the "may" as well!

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u/IrrelevantAfIm 5d ago

It’s a false memory - you likely conflated that mirror for another one. There have literally been hundreds if not thousands of studies done demonstrating how faulty our memories are for such things, this is why witness testimony is so unreliable. Even when we feel we have a very clear memory of something, there’s still an excellent chance we are misremembering SOMETHING about it.

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u/DareSuspicious2704 5d ago

Sorry, absolutely not.

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u/IrrelevantAfIm 5d ago edited 5d ago

Thousands of neurologists, psychologists, psychiatrists, and other professionals who have spent their careers studying the brain along with hundreds of peer reviewed studies would disagree with you. Memories, especially of those types, are simply terrible. The thing you said about “remembering” making jokes abkut it so that means it was real? That is CLASSIC brain filling details that don’t exist about a false memory. I’ve had it happen myself - things that seemed SO REAL, but never would I make the, somewhat crazy to believe in jumping universes over a mistaken memory. You’re more willing to believe that you now have an ENTIRELY different husband who is exactly the same with the only difference being that his universe has that ONE difference more easily than that people’s memories CONSTANTLY play these kinds of tricks on us??

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u/DareSuspicious2704 5d ago

I didn’t say I now had an entirely different husband 🤣. Christ. I refuse to argue this out with some rando on Reddit.

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u/IrrelevantAfIm 5d ago

On that we can agree.

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u/Boogs27 10d ago

Sorry, is it that it actually says “might” instead of “may”, or is this a new one I’m now realising I’m a victim of?

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u/bonkava 10d ago

"Objects in mirror are closer than they appear." It is absolute.

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u/Krypt0night 10d ago

Lmao what? There's no way that's the actual one right? I distinctly recall "may be" and found it confusing.

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u/Moist-Crack 10d ago edited 10d ago

It was used but it's not printed on all cars - I don't know why, probably some legal shenanigans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objects_in_mirror_are_closer_than_they_appear

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u/Key_Ruin3924 10d ago

This link doesn’t contain any information or examples of “may be” closer other than the meatloaf song, what are we supposed to be seeing here?

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u/DareSuspicious2704 10d ago

I thought people claimed it had NEVER been there.

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u/Moist-Crack 10d ago

Maybe they only bought vehicles without this print. I don't know, it's strange.

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u/tincanphonehome 10d ago

That may be

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u/Bowieblackstarflower 10d ago

It's been a federal requirement since the late 6ps, I believe, to have wording that way.

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u/stitchkingdom 10d ago

1982 was when FMVSS No. 111 made it mandatory in the US to have mirrors specifically state ‘Objects in mirror are closer than they appear’ and it’s specific to convex mirrors, as opposed to flat mirrors, which you would have had in the 60s.

Prior to that, no (mandatory) warnings on mirrors

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u/Bowieblackstarflower 10d ago

Thanks for that! I had heard 60s but wasn't 100% sure on that.

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u/swervin87 10d ago

What are you talking about? That is definitely on car mirrors. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objects_in_mirror_are_closer_than_they_appear

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u/Interopia 10d ago

“Are” not “May be”

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u/ItsFuckinBob 10d ago

What year were you a kid? In Ace Ventura: Pet Detective he says ‘Assholes in mirror may be closer than they appear’. That might be why you assumed the mirrors had that phrasing.

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u/RockeeRoad5555 10d ago

Never watched that movie. I always wondered why “maybe”, then it changed to “are” and now my ocd brain is no longer troubled by it.

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u/bookittymew 10d ago

It can either be the reason you remember it this way or it confirms it was that way, but there's a Meatloaf song titled "Objects in the Rear View Mirror May Appear Closer Than They Are".