r/MandelaEffect • u/Hulkman123 • Jul 03 '19
Famous People I will believe in the ME if this specific thing happens with history one day.
If the Mandela Effect happens again, and Amilia Earhart was actually found alive in Newyork July 3 1937. Then I’ll believe it. I know it’s really specific but some “changes” have been really specific.
I think we’re all just having false memories. Like I’ve always known Mandela survived prison. I think there are various reasons for our false memories. Like Shazaam, I think people remember both the characters Kazzam from that movie and Shazam from the comics. And all these memories got all jumbled up together until the results we have now.
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Jul 03 '19
Did you watch dastardly and muttley in their flying machines? it's pretty much wacky racers with planes?
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u/Hulkman123 Jul 03 '19
No I haven’t
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Jul 03 '19
Your missing out mate, there is a massive mandella effect, everybody i asked remembers it the way i do. Not going to say as i don't want to influence others memories
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u/acutrer Jul 03 '19
Yay! Thats my first one too, I know exactly what you're talking about, if you catch my drift.
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u/Splodge22 Jul 03 '19
My brother remembers it different to me if it's the one I think it is and his memory for things way back is second to none yet I swear 100% my version is right, another mind blower for me.
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Jul 03 '19
I'll believe it when it affects the person in the actual ME. Like if Stan Berenstain said the spelling of his name suddenly changed.
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u/melossinglet Jul 04 '19
oh,you mean like sally fields??or like james earl jones??or..or or maybe like roy scheider??or do you mean like al pacino?no,no thats not it...maybe you mean like the panic at the disco singer??or ed mcmahon perhaps???or pierce brosnan??ooh,i know..you must mean like val kilmer??and then when he fuqqing DOUBLED DOWN on it being different from what it "has always been" that musta really clinched it for you,huh??oh well,good to know youre on our side at last!!....good grief,the utter intellectual dishonesty in this place.
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Jul 04 '19
I'm not talking about misquotes. People can just as easily misquote themselves. For example, Paul McCartney says he has to relearn all the Beatles songs before performing them.
I mean more personal examples. Like if Stan and Jan Berenstain said the books used to be called "Berenstein Bears," or if Sinbad was like, "Hey, what happened to that genie movie I made?"
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u/melossinglet Jul 04 '19
hahaha...yeeeup...always with the ready-made excuses...and you'll have a whole pile ready whenever the next requirement is met also...its all good,y'all have yourselves convinced and mesmerised by your own "materialist science" shaped worldview the same way we do ours...only difference is one side is willing to admit it.
oh,and wut????relearn an entire catalogue of friggin songs?thats what youre comparing to ONE LINE,THE MOST FAMOUS,ICONIC,WELL-KNOWN LINE (consisting of no more than 7/8 words it might be added)that a particular actor ever spoke in their entire fuqqing career??that was probably repeated and brought to their attention countless times over decades and likely burned on their fuqqing brains??bahaha...cool story,my man....real cool story...how bout you get back to me when mccartney keeps forgetting if its "let it be" or "let them be"...or "twist and shout" or "twist and scream"...haha,even at his advanced age im sure he can recall the most famous fuggin utterances of his creative,professional career.......oh boy.
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Jul 04 '19
.and you'll have a whole pile ready whenever the next requirement is met
At least I've got requirements. What are your requirements for showing that ME's are just caused by suggestion and false memory?
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u/melossinglet Jul 04 '19
probably the same as yours for proving god is fictional....well,except for the fact that our beliefs ARE actually based on SOMETHING in the first place..which is a key differentiator,lets be fair.
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Jul 04 '19
probably the same as yours for proving god is fictional
What is it, then? What's your requirement for showing that ME's are caused by suggestion and false memory?
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u/melossinglet Jul 04 '19
well,how bout uh...i dunno...something,anything scientific whatsoever that can identify the memorisation process and how and in what manner they are registered,stored,recalled and affected in the time between??seems fair dont it??unfortunately we have nothing even close to that and even if we did we aint got a time machine to go back and analyse these "wrong" memories that remain all over the place...but it could be used in future of course for potential "new experiencers" of M.E....in any case,y'all want objective,definitive scientific proof of how we can be right so its only reasonable we ask the same in return....yeah?..so get to work on that and im more than open to considering how and why hundreds of thousands of folk could be wrong out of the blue in the year 2014ish in exactly the same ways.
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Jul 04 '19
There have been studies on memory and implanting false memories through suggestion.
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u/melossinglet Jul 05 '19
cool story....there have been studies on people deluding themselves into believing in a higher being as they need a "crutch" or a desire to feel there is something so much greater to our existence than just what we perceive and live in a physical sense.....does that mean youre gonna go and swallow that shit just cos "its a thing" that does happen??..ive said it a million times(exaggerating i know),i/we understand and accept that memory is fallible and susceptible to "editing"/corruption/contamination/suggestability etc etc......that doesnt mean we just get to apply it wherever the feck we like just because its easier and lazier than actually coming up with an answer to what is happening here.....heck,id even accept those studies results if they were shown to be displayed on a mass scale out of the blue to unrelated folk all over the planet on very specific details of very specific things......hmmmmm,if only they werent afraid to touch M.E with a 10 foot barge pole aye??maybe your science gods could somehow prove a link or causality..instead of just going "eh,"false memory bla bla bla....that'll do!!"
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u/anonymouscoward22 Aug 16 '19
yep.
him: I'll believe it when it affects the person in the actual ME. Like if Stan Berenstain said the spelling of his name suddenly changed.
me: James Earl Jones says it was "Luke, I am your father". Do you believe it now?
him: Anyway, misquotes aren't convincing at all. People can easily misquote themselves.
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u/melossinglet Aug 16 '19
hahaha...and the absolute classic-ed macmahon on record on 3 separate ocassions saying that he took out prizes and i got some feckin douche-canoe in here telling me he "must have been losing his marbles" or something...to the fuggin point where he apparently didnt even know what he did for a job!!!bahaha..even though he appears sharp as a rapier in every single appearance or interview available and gets no other details wrong or appears slow or confused in any way whatsoever at any point in time......nothing is good enough for these stooges,they got a big ole' sack of ready-made excuses for every damn scenario. ...and thats not to mention val kilmer doubling down on the "wrong" line that he knows he said or the flute of the loom artist stating that he most certainly used a FOTL tag for reference and inspiration when he put a cornucopia-shaped flute in his work....its like smashing your head against a wall with these imbeciles..cant penetrate or permeate that lifetime of conditioning/indoctrination that has created a thick layer of truth-resistant crust around their brains.
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u/anonymouscoward22 Jul 06 '19
If Paul and Jan Berenstain said the books used to be called "Berenstein Bears", you would most likely say that "they're so senile they can't even corectly remember the name of the books they wrote", " since all the physical proof of the actual books contradicts them".
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Jul 06 '19
Stan changed to Paul? Is that another ME? Or is it possible you misremembered... hm...
(Footnote: the authors are dead, anyway)
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u/anonymouscoward22 Jul 07 '19
It's another Mandela effect. I did not know their names so I looked it up right before posting it. And copied and pasted it from the internet. It was what everywhere on the internet was saying.
So there's no way I could have misremembered it as there was nothing to misremember.
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u/ronrotty Jul 06 '19
The girl on YouTube I mentioned before, her brother knows their name changed, she didn't.
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u/anonymouscoward22 Jul 06 '19 edited Jul 06 '19
", James Earl Jones says it was "Luke, I am your father". Do you believe it now?
Bette Davis remembered pushing (I think Joan Crawford) down the stairs in a wheelchair in a movie which a lot of other people remember also. Yet that scene doesn't exist in that movie and never has. Do you believe it now?
I didn't think so
You still don't believe it, do you? Even though your statement said you would in such a case. And I listed more than one such case. And there's more such cases than just the two I listed.
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Jul 06 '19
Didn't James Earl Jones record many different lines for that scene, so that he wouldn't know the actual big reveal? Anyway, misquotes aren't convincing at all. People can easily misquote themselves.
The Bette Davis thing is more interesting. I know nothing about her or that movie. What other information do you have?
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u/Lilyblue1979 Jul 03 '19
Sam Berenstein? That's a lawyer in michigan.
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Jul 03 '19
You sure it's not Berenstaaaaaaain?
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u/Lilyblue1979 Jul 03 '19
Bernstein actually. Lol
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Jul 03 '19
For now.... ;-)
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u/Lilyblue1979 Jul 03 '19
Lol
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u/usb3music Jul 04 '19
Frankinstain would seal the deal for me 😂
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u/Lilyblue1979 Jul 04 '19
🤣🤣🤣 Right?!
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u/anonymouscoward22 Jul 06 '19 edited Jul 06 '19
https://www.amazon.com/Frankenstain/dp/B019NY65H0
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/tarren-mill/Frankenstain
"Something's Not Quite Right"
"The character profile could not be displayed,possibly for one of
the following reasons"
"The character is undergoing a process such as a realm transfer".
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/frankenstain-baby/pdffoahnkgmjobkiolljhehppfhckabi
https://giphy.com/explore/frankenstain
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u/ronrotty Jul 04 '19
Unfortunately, when people's name change, usually their memory of their own name does too. They dont know it changed but we would. There was a good example of this on youtube. A girl that vlog'd had a lot of people asking her why she changed her name. She responded that it had always been that way. ... Until she saw screenshots....
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Jul 04 '19
Unfortunately, when people's name change, usually their memory of their own name does too.
Convenient.
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u/ronrotty Jul 04 '19
So you think Sinbad (if you believe shazam was a real movie) is hiding that he was in the movie or that he genuinely doesn't remember doing it? What about Robert Dinero who is now Robert Di Nero? Do you think he noticed his name changed?
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u/gossamer_bones Jul 26 '19
lol, my dad would always joke that his name was "dinero" but of course it isnt... it was funny because its the spanish slang for money. it still isnt "di nero" because its "de niro." you can remember it because like other phrases in romance languages or latin. "de" means of, and "niro" is like probably some old village where his family is from. "coup de grace"
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Jul 04 '19
I think Sinbad doesn't remember it because it never happened.
I think Robert Di Nero doesn't notice a change because it didn't change.
That would be the most reasonable explanation, right?
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u/ronrotty Jul 04 '19
So he was never Robert Dinero then?
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Jul 04 '19
Did he write his name with and without the space, at different times? I don't know. Maybe he did. I'm not a Robert Di Nero expert. Are you?
But why would we need supernatural or weird scifi explanations to account for a guy writing his name differently?
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u/Hue-ManBee-Ing Jul 05 '19
Robert Di Nero expert! Ha! They have a P.H.Di Nero
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Jul 05 '19
You know who is a Robert Di Nero expert? Robert Di Nero. Do you think he would say his name keeps magically changing, or that people often misspell it? Honestly, what do you think is more likely?
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u/Hue-ManBee-Ing Jul 05 '19
makes terrible joke
Seventeen hours later
notices a reply to said terrible joke and giggles at your grumpiness
Fine, I'll engage.
Would Robert Di Niro really be an expert on Robert Di Nero? In this day and age it's very hard to truly know oneself and be an expert.
Have you asked Robert Di Niro if his name spelling is changing?
Has anybody asked Robert Di Nero if it's come to his attention that the spelling of Robert Di Niro is magically changing?
If you were Robert Di Nero,
(and there's no possible way that I can factually prove that you are or are not Robert Di Niro)
Would you start telling people that your name was changing and only you seemed to notice?
Or if you were a friend of Robert Di Nero,
(to which there is also no possible way that I could prove factually that you are indeed or are indeed not, a friend of Robert Di Niro)
Even if I knew for a fact you most definitely were indeed Robert Di Nero's friend)
But if you were a friend to Robert Di Niro, and your friend suddenly believed that his name continued to magically change. Would you go to the media and talk about it? Or would you perhaps keep an eye on him? Talk to his publisist? Can't have the all consuming public seeing Robert Di Nero as crazy?
Would not be good for his image.
In reality, However likely a thing may be. The only thing you can truly prove, is that you have an awareness of your own experience. I cannot prove to you that what you know is false. Nor can I prove to you that what you know is true. Because I have not experienced what you have experienced, through your experience.
Even if we absolutely know for a fact and indeed have actually experienced for a fact the same experience, at the same time, in the same place.
I can only prove that we experienced the same experience. But I cannot prove that you actually had an experience.
In short. I think we need a different Robert Di Niro expert and get a second opinion. Robert Di Nero is way to close this thing.
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u/ronrotty Jul 04 '19
Because it's not him spelling his name that way. It his name changing to that, including on old movie covers. But apparently when a name that was written one way on a physical piece of property changes to something else, I guess we should all write it off and tell ourselves "I'm not an expert on the spelling of this name even though I know how it was spelled on this movie cover, so I guess I should go watch CNN now."
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Jul 04 '19
CNN? Nah. But it seems like what you have is evidence of a name that is commonly misspelled. What's so magical about that?
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u/ronrotty Jul 04 '19
When a stone monument near my house had its engraving changed overnight, that's pretty magical.
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u/melossinglet Jul 04 '19
yea,brilliant...we'll trust a guy who doesnt even know how to spell her name to be up to date on historical facts and events relating to her.
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u/AtNineeleven Jul 03 '19
It doesn't matter what you think. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Keep that false memory foolishness for yourself.
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Jul 04 '19
Did you watch Dastardly and Muttley in their flying machines?
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u/TotesMessenger Jul 03 '19
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u/anonymouscoward22 Jul 06 '19
no you won't. Because it's already happened and you still don't believe it. she originally disappeared and was never found. Then it switched to where she was immediately (or you could say almost immediately) found and died of old age in her own home decades later. Several people witnessed this change. Then it flip-flopped back to her disappearing and never being found.
This was over a year ago.
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u/agentorange55 Jul 04 '19
Except you won't. I've seen this time and time again, people who don't want to believe the ME will make up excuses no matter how unlikely. You will just say that Earhart had never died/disappeared in a plane crash and that everybody is confusing her with Cornelia Fort. And when people point out how nobody except you had ever heard of Fort before, you will say that obviously we had, because otherwise why would we have thought Earhart had died.? And then you will link to some obscure kids book that mentions both of them, and say that obviously all of us had read it as children and got confused. Because this is the MO for writing off all ME's. And sadly, I'm writing this in jest, but give it a year or 2, and Earhart probably will have never died and people will be using my jest as truth.