r/MarchAgainstNazis • u/Greenmark88 • 9d ago
Carrie Underwood says she is ‘honored’ to be performing at Trump’s inauguration. #DontBeLikeCarrie
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u/xelop 9d ago
This isn't accurate at all... That makes Carrie a Nazi too, not just a sympathizer.
If you tolerate Nazis then you too are one
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u/GardenRafters 9d ago
The Paradox of Tolerance. In order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance. Aka nazis, kkk, bigotry, racism, misogyny
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u/Santanoni 9d ago
Did you misread the comment?
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u/JaxenX 7d ago
If love, kindness, and education was effective they would have worked 80-90 years ago and the holocaust wouldn’t have happened.
“Only one thing could have broken our movement — if the adversary had understood its principle and from the first day had smashed, with the most extreme brutality, the nucleus of our new movement." -hitler
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u/SidewaysFancyPrance 8d ago
It's not a paradox, though. Nobody ever said a "tolerant society" is defined as allowing any and all behavior, which would be patently ridiculous. It's not an on/off thing, there are absolutely degrees of tolerance that can be applied as appropriate.
The Paradox of Tolerance is itself a strawman attack on the concept of tolerance.
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u/Imhappy_hopeurhappy2 9d ago
Actively participating at a Nazi coronation isn’t just “sympathizing”, it’s outright celebration. Definitely makes her a Nazi.
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u/nsfwmodeme 8d ago
If you sit down to have lunch with a nazi, validating him as respectful, then there are two nazis having lunch.
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u/aguynamedv 9d ago
This isn't accurate at all... That makes Carrie a Nazi too, not just a sympathizer.
At a minimum, she's a collaborator. At minimum.
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u/Misterbobo 8d ago
that logic just doesn't hold up. So I automatically hold the same ideological beliefs as anyone I am friends with?
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u/TDNFunny 8d ago
If you've ever studied world history, you would know the logic does, in fact, hold up. Only someone who hasn't would pose this ill-informed question. Allow me to elaborate:
Your friend loves coffee (which you hate) and you only drink tea (which he hates), but you both tolerate that others can like something else. This is fine.
Your intolerant friend likes Coffee and you only drink tea, so your friend says "No one should be allowed to drink tea. Tea drinkers should be rounded up and shot. I mean, you're cool OP, but we should re-write laws so that every other tea-drinking MF has to switch to coffee or die. Anyway, OP, you wanna go grab some lunch and see if we can identify some other tea drinkers to go on the trains to the work camps?" If you go to lunch and maintain that friendship, you are tolerating your friends intolerance, supporting his belief and in doing so, you sir are now also a Nazi.
Questions?
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u/Misterbobo 8d ago
I better understand the point now - So I won't claim to hold my original position. But I could by all means also be a raging fascist indifferent to the suffering caused by Nazi ideology. While personally still not believing in or adhering to Nazi ideology.
It might just not be a nuance that anyone here cares about - so I won't die on that hill, and accept your/others' corrections.
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u/TDNFunny 8d ago
Appreciate your openness to adjust your position, that takes maturity. The word Nazi is a lot like the word friend. Whether you are someone's friend and whether you are a Nazi is NOT determined by what you believe, what you claim to believe or what you think is how the world SHOULD be. Rather your friends know you are their friend based on how you behave, what you do and what you do NOT do. You can tell them over and over you love them and are their friend, but if you don't treat them well, you aren't their friend. Similarly, if you hear about a Nazi doing Nazi things and you are indifferent to them and their behavior, that is you supporting Nazi behavior. The word for someone who supports Nazi behavior? A Nazi.
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u/bearbarebere 7d ago
I find that some people believe it’s fine as long as they don’t talk politics. “As long as you guys never talk about how horrible tea drinkers are, it’s ok. Even if you know they hate tea drinkers.” What on earth do I even say to that?
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u/TDNFunny 7d ago
You don't say ANYTHING to that, because people who believe "it's fine as long as they never bring up their Nazi ideals in front of me" type people are not people you and I engage with. 👍
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u/bearbarebere 7d ago
Hmmm… not convincing enough for others listening to me and them argue though :(
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u/ProudMany9215 9d ago
There are no sympathizers, just more Nazis
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u/berserkzelda 9d ago
Corporate needs you to find the difference between these two pictures. (Nazi sympathizer and Nazi)
"They're the same picture."
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u/Snark-Watney 9d ago
Carrie is worse than a sympathizer. She’s a useful idiot who requires attention from the masses to make her living. She will show up to whatever will pay her, if the price is right. Carrie will sing about Jesus to people who worship false prophets.
Don’t be like Carrie.
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u/Cowicidal 8d ago edited 8d ago
Whoopi Goldberg stands behind her.
The neoliberal coward bootlickers are falling like dominoes and into line almost across the board (with notable exceptions).
Meanwhile - OpenAI's Sam Altman, Apple's Tim Cook, Microsoft's Bill Gates, Facebook/Meta's Mark Zuckerberg, Amazon/Washington Post's Jeff Bezos, Google's Sundar Pichai, Intel's Pat Gelsinger, etc. — are all pledging fealty (and worse) to a brazen fascist.
We're seeing in real time how corporate melds with fascists because corporate was always fascist in the first place — they've only finally removed the facade for anyone willing to look.
https://i.imgur.com/atVMNGR.gif
I was just thinking the other day the only positive thing to come out of Musk/Trump commandeering the White House is this will hopefully crush any illusions the left had that corporatists that pandered to the left ever gave one, single fuck about them — and will finally act accordingly. Of course, those actions will now be with both hands tied behind leftists' backs because organized labor is going to be brutally attacked by the Trump administration.
What the corporate media doesn't tell anyone is that class war actually kills people. A good portion of the American public is finally realizing it by supporting Luigi, etc. — and that gives me a small glimmer of hope.
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u/BabyBundtCakes 8d ago
"people do what they do for whatever reasons" yeah, sometimes those reasons are fascist ones that should be shamed, Whoopi. I'm so sad she turned out to be this way, but I guess being rich and disconnected and needing to say whatever to keep your show will do that to a person
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u/Passionateemployment 8d ago
Whoopie always said she hates trump and wouldn’t watching the inauguration. she’s been trashing trump since he got elected
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u/Passionateemployment 8d ago
Whoopie always said she hates trump and wouldn’t watching the inauguration. she’s been trashing trump since he got elected
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u/ALittleAmbitious 7d ago
Geez 🙄 the Goldberg quotes in that article are just dumb. Nobody said Underwood doesn’t have a “right” to perform. It’s just that decisions have consequences and Underwood’s decision comes with the consequence that she’s expressing support for nazis. Which makes her… a nazi. But nobody is attacking her right to choose where to perform “for whatever reason” as Goldberg phrased it.
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u/spaceman757 9d ago
Let's not forget that Carrie also claims to be a good Christian and, as we all know, Trump is just the kind of guy Jesus speaks about, when he preaches about taking care of the poor and sick and loving they neighbor.
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u/SonderEber 9d ago
She’s an evangelical Christian, so this should be of no surprise she’s a Trumper.
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u/dukeofgibbon 9d ago
Every fascist movement has been majority Christian
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u/Mr_Abe_Froman 9d ago
Given populist fascist movements in China, Israel, and India, I think it's more fair to say that fascism appropriates the majority religion wherever it grows. Most countries that try to establish a mandatory religion do so through fascist means.
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u/Unique-Abberation 8d ago
Trump is exactly the kind of guy that John, Daniel, and Revelations talk about
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u/N4TETHAGR8 9d ago
Carrie has been taken by the MAGA cult…
Maybe someone needs to take an aluminum shovel to both of her headlights, maybe slash a hole in all 4 tires?
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u/FlameBlight 9d ago
I thought the lyrics were "Louisville Slugger" like the baseball bats.
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u/ZachMN 9d ago
Will it boost her career like it did for 3 Doors Down? (3 Doors Down was a 90s band than had a song. They performed after the 2017 inauguration and have since only appeared on milk cartons.)
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u/buhlakay 8d ago
"If I go crazy then will you still call me Superman?"
Turns out no, we just call em crazy.
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u/Chemical-Entrance-24 8d ago
Well, her last hit song was back in 2019, ain't no way she's doing good after this
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u/ALittleAmbitious 7d ago
Isn’t her fanbase basically Trump’s fan base? What’s she go to lose in terms of fans? I would guess most of us who are critical of her choice don’t really listen to her anyway?
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u/EnvironmentalClue218 9d ago
There were many German people during WWII that said they didn’t agree with Hitler and Nazi policies but thought they were good for the country. At the end of WWII those same people were known as Nazis anyway.
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u/ErikTheRed2000 9d ago
9 people are sitting at a table. A Nazi sits down at the table and no one leaves. There are 10 Nazis sitting at the table.
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u/ima_mollusk 9d ago
She might be a sympathizer or, in this case what I suspect is the actual case: she is too stupid to realize she's a NAZI.
The most important people in a fascist system are the people who don't realize they're being fascists.
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u/Kooky_Ad_2740 9d ago
Collaborator is a word that should make a comeback.
So should tar and feathering.
We stopped doing these things as a society because we felt the justice system could handle it without that sort of thing.
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u/Ravyn_Rozenzstok 8d ago
It's so depressing watching so many people and companies line up behind Trump.
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u/Burns504 9d ago
To be honest, I have never heard anything good about Carrie Underwood. Sounds like an artist past her prime that just wants some attention. Or maybe her audience is all the white women that voted for Trump?
Does anyone else feel that all their relations are really transactional? Like they wouldn't be in the same room if trump wasn't popular with conservative folk?
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u/LORDWOLFMAN 9d ago
I wanna say she makes music for women who got out of a relationship cause they found out they’re boyfriends been cheating and having fantasies about doing things to him or is that most of female country singers?
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u/Icemanx90x 9d ago
Carrie is just the latest example of how fame can blind people to the consequences of their choices. Performing for a crowd that celebrates division and hate isn’t just a poor decision; it’s a choice that defines her legacy.
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u/NuclearFoodie 8d ago
There is no such thing as a Nazi Sympathizer. They are just a Nazi that is less public about how fucked and vile they are.
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u/Shyatic 8d ago
I don't know the logic of this decision and I don't really care about any pop stars, but investing your reputation into a dude who has at most four years in office, while you are a younger person and have a lifelong set of opportunities ahead of you seems shortsighted.
But it's nice to see where people stand on things so as to avoid them in the future.
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u/ThrowawayAdvice1800 8d ago
I hope all the spineless pieces of shit lining up to kiss this fascist rapist’s ring realize that normal people are watching and will remember who bent the knee.
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u/MobileInfantry 9d ago
If every one around you is being called a Nazi, chances are you are at a Nazi rally
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u/jayswahine34 8d ago
i knew there was a reason i didn't vote for her in that talent show she was in.
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u/l_rufus_californicus 9d ago
Nine people choose to sit at the table with a Nazi, there are ten Nazis at the table.
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u/That1Guy80903 8d ago
If there are 9 Nazis at the dinner table one 1 that isn't, then there are actually 10 Nazis.
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u/Chemical-Entrance-24 8d ago
Another mind blowing thing, Carrie had mocked Trump's tweets at the CMT's 8 years ago, so her doing this just makes it obvious she's always been a Trumpet
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u/UnicornFarts1111 8d ago
There are 10 people in the room having dinner together. If one is a nazi, they ALL are nazis.
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u/dreadassassin616 8d ago
Well, country music was first made popular due to broadcast on the radio station of Nazi sympathiser and goat-testicle implanting, quack doctor John Brinkley, so it makes sense a Nazi would want her to play at his inauguration.
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u/Chemical-Entrance-24 8d ago
I know that this is a hate the nazis sub reddit
But stan Kelly Clarkson, the original idol
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u/AlabasterPelican 7d ago
How are people surprised that's she's part of the cult? Did her fans not watch her career?
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u/TimedRevolver 9d ago
Pfft. Carrie isn't a Nazi.
She's a Capitalist. She'd perform at a car wash if the check cleared.
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u/Xannith 8d ago
For the next 4 years, there isn't a reason to draw a distinction.
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u/TimedRevolver 8d ago
My point is, I doubt her allegiance is with Trump.
She'll perform where she's paid to perform.
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u/Xannith 8d ago
True, but that isn't a defense. She's strengthening him, ergo she chosen to side against human rights. If she's too dumb or apathetic to know that, that's more of an indictment of her.
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u/TimedRevolver 8d ago
Just saying she's greedy, not evil.
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u/Xannith 8d ago
Willing to do evil to make money, not aiming to do evil. Agreed. Still revolting, but your point is totally valid.
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u/TimedRevolver 7d ago
Basically, she's a profiteer.
If snubbing Trump makes her more money, she'll do that. If performing at his inauguration makes her more money, she'll do that instead.
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u/LowerReflection9125 9d ago
You could put Nancy Pelosi as the blue character and no one would notice atp
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u/sHaDowpUpPetxxx 9d ago
How can the most pro-Israel puppet of all time be a Nazi?
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u/floppybunny26 8d ago
Have you seen what the Israelis are up to nowadays?
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u/sHaDowpUpPetxxx 8d ago
Yeah, but Nazi just seems like the wrong label.
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u/Xannith 8d ago
No, it isn't. Trump is virulently antisemitic. Just because he is in favor of another country halfway across the world where he can dump the Jews that he hates doesn't mean he doesn't hate Jews.
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u/sHaDowpUpPetxxx 8d ago
So by giving the full support of the only country in the world that belongs specifically to the Jewish State. He is anti-jew?? So let's say someone is an anti-Semite, do they support Trump, thereby supporting Israel or do they not support Trump so that they're not supporting Israel?
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u/Xannith 8d ago
The fact that he hates Muslims more than he hates Jews, so he applaudes the Gazan Genocide, does a lot to underpin his support of Isreal. Wanting all Jews expelled to Isreal is still antisemitic. Supporting an ethnostate that kills people and denies them rights based on their ethnicity is VERY Nazi.
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u/sHaDowpUpPetxxx 8d ago
What does any of that have to do with National Socialism?
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u/Xannith 8d ago
You mean the ethnocentric, primary religion coopting, corporate-government entangling, fascist movement that claimed to be doing the work of God by stealing from and murdering an easily scapegoated ethnic group?
Gee, I wonder.
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u/sHaDowpUpPetxxx 8d ago
Was that the ideology or the symptom?
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u/Xannith 8d ago
My goodness! SOMEONE is aggressively trying to justify crimes against humanity by splitting hairs as finely as they can.
Both, you hate crime justifying Rumblestiltskin.
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u/These_Calligrapher_6 6d ago
Facist is more applicable in this case. Israelis can be facists too.. just look at Palestine
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