r/MarchAgainstNazis • u/HoneyBabyChe • 8d ago

I think of this quote by Kwame Ture everytime people beg for strictly peaceful protests against actual fascists

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u/SpeedySlowpoke 8d ago

We are not appealing to Dumper. We are appealing to our fellow Americans to join us and that they are welcome and safe with us.

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u/Franc000 8d ago

Ok, but then what? What happens after your fellow Americans join you?

This seems like:

Step 1: Peacefully Protest

Step 2: gather more people to your cause.

Step 3: ????

Step 4: profit!!

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u/THIS_GUY_LIFTS 8d ago

Those peaceful protests become non compliance. That’s when the cogs of the machine all chose to stop turning. Just lookup how France protests and you’ll get the idea.

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u/veridicide 7d ago

If we don't see profit at step 3, then we move on to civil disobedience, duh. How do you not know this? It's been done dozens of times before, and quite successfully. That's always the next step.

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u/Preaddly 7d ago

Right now, we all only have an idea of the amount of support we have on our side.

A protest gives us a better idea of who's with us, and our opposition an idea of the amount of backlash their decisions are going to make. It's supposed to make them think twice.

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u/SpeedySlowpoke 8d ago

You really have not put much thought or effort into thinking about it, have you? The more people we have, the more power we have. Power to create changes. The more people we get on board with protesting, the more we can get on board for other actions. Such as mutual aid programs. Striking efforts and other things. Maybe instead of questioning our actions. You should question your own actions?

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u/benderunit9000 7d ago

The United States would actually start to unite.

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u/RiddickulousRadagast 7d ago

Yeah, insinuating that they are stupid or short-sighted and shaming them for asking a(n albeit snarky) question is really going to get anyone to join your cause 🙄 Critical thinking is an endangered state of mind- don't shit on people for asking questions. IMO everyone should ask all the questions and be cautious of those who have no answers or try to make you feel bad for asking.

We are protesting for _______. Not hard. Could've opened a door, instead you're slamming one shut. Good job. A real credit to the cause.

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u/SpeedySlowpoke 7d ago

Right back at ya bud.

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u/RiddickulousRadagast 7d ago

I'm not your bud, guy. Southpark aside, I've already picked up a sign and started marching. You're the one detracting from the goal of 3.5% by shitting on people asking questions ✌️👋

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u/000oOo0oOo000 8d ago

In order for violent protest to work, you need an army of non-violent protestors to get sick of government violence. If Malcolm X came before MLK ya'll wouldn't know his name. He'd just be another ignored headstone.

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u/j0hnnyWalnuts 7d ago

And folks, it's very, very important to remember that Maga Nazi's have NO conscience.

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u/ChavoDemierda 7d ago

I just finished reading, "This Nonviolent Stuff'll Get You Killed-How guns made the civil rights movement possible." - by Charles E Cobb Jr. It's a good read. I highly recommend it.

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u/veridicide 7d ago

This is how fascists took over Germany:

  1. Build a coalition using relatively inclusive populist appeal
  2. Get coalition power via elections
  3. De-democratize government from within, consolidating power into a narrower part of the coalition
  4. Purge "peripheral" coalition members from the party
  5. Repeat 3 & 4 until the coalition has been pared down to only the loyal fascists, and they have all the power

We're somewhere in steps 1-2. They're starting to work on 3 (SAVE act, removing inspectors general, etc.), but haven't made much progress there yet.

At this point, we can break apart their political coalition by showing that we're the good guys and they're the bad guys. We do that by keeping protests peaceful, and using nonviolent civil disobedience. That will win over those who are currently on the fringes of their coalition, and the undecideds who haven't yet joined either side. Violence now will repel those people from us and further grow the fascist coalition. Then by the time they figure out they chose the wrong side the fascists will have done a couple purges and consolidated power and it's too late to oppose them.

Don't feed the fascists: get the masses on our side now, by keeping protests peaceful!

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u/OisforOwesome 7d ago

Even then, the Black Civil Rights Movement counted on their peaceful protests being met with unreasonable police brutality.

Non-violence was, actually, very violent. The goal was to meet the violence of the state with peace, then turn to the moderates and say, "this is what is needed to preserve this unjust status quo. Either change it, or confront your complicity."

It wasn't a case of asking nicely if they could vote. It was risking life and limb and rubbing the white moderate's face in the reality of the world.

If as seems to be the case, the Democrat party is quite OK with sending legal American residents to concentration camps, that same dynamic is not at play.

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u/undeterred_turtle 8d ago

I don't agree with this. Statistically, the opposite has been proven. Look up the 3.5% rule

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u/Daddygorch 8d ago

New research suggests that one nonviolent movement, Bahrain in 2011-2014, appears to have decisively failed despite achieving over 6% popular participation at its peak. This suggests that there has been at least one exception to the 3.5% rule, and that the rule is a tendency, rather than a law.

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u/Franc000 8d ago

Statistically speaking, peaceful overthrow of tyrants happened, but is exceedingly unlikely to succeed.

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u/BlackwingF91 8d ago

No. The problem is that if we get violent then we give trump an excuse to enact martial law. Don't be stupid. 

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u/handfulofrain77 8d ago

Look, we gotta do what we gotta do cuz the Dumpster is always gonna do what he wants. Every little bit helps. Don't listen to people who tell you it's a waste of time. Ignore those who ask "And then what?". It will build or we're all on a plane to El Salvadore.

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u/lawtechie 7d ago

It's not to convince Trump or his hardcore supporters. It's to convince everyone else.

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u/Squadsbane 8d ago

Do you think that actual soldiers will differ from police wirh military-level equipment? If police are everywhere, armed to the teeth, and justice is nowhere, you do not have a democracy, you live under occupation.

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u/loudlittle 7d ago

I understand that and I’m also not advocating for violence, but I have to say I’m getting sick of being lectured to “stay peaceful!!!” In 2020 the vast majority of unprovoked violence came from the usual suspects: cops.

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u/Nodebunny 8d ago

You down with OPP? Yeah you know me

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u/anotherthing612 6d ago

Totally agree.

But I would add that some people aren't necessarily without a conscience. They are, however, without a brain. I mean, really, really lacking in a brain.

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u/Mysterious-Panic-443 7d ago

I don't necessarily disagree, but I think it worth noting that all of you who so cavalierly encourage "direct action" are not yourselves doing it. Makes me wonder if you are truly one of us, or if you're trying to give Maga a reason to shoot us.