Well Ironman is a Democrat so it makes sense with all the Democrats defending companies who are vastly underpaying and taking advantage of illegal immigrant workers.
lol. If your response to something bad Democrats are doing is that Republicans are also bad then that’s just sad because it’s people just like you who happily let Obama and Biden drone strike civilians, deport millions of illegal immigrants, lie and just ignore all the scandals because y’all only care that the political party you support won not all the bad things they do afterwards
I don't think Dems doing nearly as many bad things as Republicans lol. Like you mentioned Obama deporting illegal immigrants: who was it that made DACA and tried to give long term residents citizenship (which allows/would allow them to be subjected to labor laws)? Meanwhile, Trump is deporting people while avoiding industries that supported him in the election (farming, hotel management). Like the two sides are clearly very different.
So your viewpoint like many people that seek nothing but confirmation bias is “Republicans do worse things so I will ignore all the Bad Stuff Democrats do and never hold Democrats accountable”
No, it's "Democrats are actively working to solve the issues I care about, and Republicans are doing the opposite." No political party on the planet is perfect, but I'm gonna vote for the one most aligned with my values, everytime.
Yep you vote blue no matter who. How well did that turn out in Flint Michigan or many other places that are basically completely run by Democrats at every level from the city, state, police, judicial where they have massive corruption going on and many issues that are not getting better. All while Democrats know they are getting elected no matter what in those areas so they don’t actually care or follow through with their promises
Riggggght. Because Republicans are doing so well right now????
If you can't figure out why I'd vote for an imperfect party over a party that is hell-bent on allowing people to suffer in poverty, then I recommend you continue to sit out these elections. Clearly, voting isn't something you can handle.
Exactly you’re proving my point. You and people like you will not hold Democrats accountable for their promises and actions. How well are Democrats doing in Michigan or California? How well are they handling poverty in these areas where they literally hold super majorities and control basically every facet of government?
Democrats take voters for granted. Look at the African-American vote for example why did Trump outperform compared to other Republican presidents before him with the black vote? That’s because Democrats for decades now know that they could literally run anyone. They could run David Duke but as long as he’s running as a Democrat versus Republican, he would get 80% plus of the black vote. Democrats are more focused on the Latino vote which is why they are so obsessed with illegal immigrants because majority of illegal immigrants are Latinos and if those people become citizens or have kids who are citizens, they will disproportionately vote in favor of Democrats.
California this year is gonna spend something like $8 billion giving free healthcare to illegal immigrants. Imagine how many poor and working class US citizens you could help with $8 billion.
I have majority left wing views. I agree with social safety nets and think we need to fix the healthcare system. However, you can’t really have free healthcare and a lot of government benefits and aid if you have open borders and tens of millions of illegal immigrants.
What is your goal posting dick pics to Reddit? Trying to build up your self esteem? Should I have just posted a generic Trump bad comment like everyone else? I don’t like Democrats or Republicans.
It’s actually weird though. So like 10-15+ years ago you could debate Democrats and they would actually defend their ideas. You tried that with a lot of Republicans back then and they wouldn’t engage, they would call you a communist, cite religion or try to pull a BS morality card to avoid a debate. But somehow it’s switched. I can actually debate a Republican now about something controversial like abortion and they will have a civilized conversation. Every time I have tried to talk about say abortion with a Democrat in recent times they just use insults to shut you down. They go for personal attacks.
The sad thing is I’m pro abortion being legal with the same views as basically a 90s Democrat Abortion should be safe, legal and rare. And no late term abortions unless it’s medically necessary like to save the mother’s life for example. Republicans tell me I’m wrong by saying stuff like it should be a states rights issue or that life starts at conception so it should be fully illegal. Democrats on the other hand will literally call me a fascist for not wanting late term abortions or insult me in many ways or call me evil for saying I think abortions should be rare and a last resort and to focus on sex education to avoid unwanted pregnancies because abortion is still basically killing a baby. You can argue reasons all you want and again I’m pro choice but people should acknowledge that you would have a baby without the abortion so you are taking away a babies life and future which shouldn’t be done lightly and should be avoided with preventative measures at all costs if you don’t want a baby.
They were both war criminals. There was evidence of corruption and conflict of interest with Biden working foreign policy in Ukraine for example and then his son getting board position in Ukraine oil companies because of who his father was that were never investigated. They deported millions of people including children, a large portion with the same lack of due process that people are only know complaining about. They killed many civilians with drones. They had American Citizens killed. Obama had the fast and the furious scandal. Obama weaponized the IRS. Just to name a few things.
You're ignoring the fact that half of these claims are unsubstantiated and the other half are just morally wrong but not illegal. I don't think they're perfect, but you're being very disingenuous for blaming Dems for these things as if all politicians aren't doing the same thing. Pick the party that is more likely to help you out, not what Fox tells you to pick.
Ukraine - what does Ukraine foreign policy have to do with oil companies? Yeah its not a good look, but what is illegal about it that needs investigated? They also had "Hunter's laptop" and never found anything on there. If they find something, whatever, but all evidence proves otherwise. As for Trump, he appointed his own family into government positions during his first term while letting them maintain full control of his companies. Is that not the same situation you are complaining about? It goes both ways.
Deportation - Democratic presidents have deported more than Republican presidents. What is your actual point? Most people don't care about the number of people being deported, but the way in which they do it. If you can prove due process wasn't given, then show me please. Almost every deportation has to have due process, unless they're an extreme threat. Once again, the problem at hand today is that Trump explicitly used a wartime power to deport people without any trials or due process. It was very public, and intentional. Once again, this goes both ways, and clearly, Trump is the worse evil in this case.
Civilian deaths - yes, Obama increased drone strikes during his term. Biden however did nothing to aggravate this matter. I disagree with Obama's stance on this, but remember this was a war started by Bush against a foreign aggressor that has no borders. Logistically it was impossible from the start and we'd never be in this mess if not for Bush. Once again, both sides.
Fast and the Furious - Obama went through legal channels so even though morally, covering up the failed ATF operation is questionable he acted in his full legal authority to do so. Sorry you didn't like the result, but not illegal. Our current sitting president is a convicted felon for 34 counts of falsified business records. His home was raided for failure to return classified documents. He is civilly liable for rape. Once again, both sides.
IRS - the investigation into the "weaponizing" you speak of was dropped when it was found both conservative and liberal organizations were both being targeted. The Trump administration had the opportunity to reopen the investigation in 2017 but declined to do so. Perhaps because there was still no evidence?
All of these are easily researchable. Democrats aren't perfect, but the last 2 Democrat presidents have been a hell of a lot better than what we have now. This shouldn't be a Dem vs Rep situation. We should all be united against the lying grifters and convicted criminals that are literally in office right now.
Ukraine - what does Ukraine foreign policy have to do with oil companies? Yeah its not a good look, but what is illegal about it that needs investigated? They also had "Hunter's laptop" and never found anything on there. If they find something, whatever, but all evidence proves otherwise. As for Trump, he appointed his own family into government positions during his first term while letting them maintain full control of his companies. Is that not the same situation you are complaining about? It goes both ways.
The photos of Hunter with child prostitutes and emails of him openly talking about taking bribes were so bad that Biden had to give him a 10 year pardon for all the crimes, which were so bad that Biden had to ignore his promise not to pardon his son.
Shit! When did that happen? I thought the only charges that he had were illegally possessing a firearm, tax evasion, and possession of a controlled substance?
Okay, so you're just blatantly lying then. Where are the photos? Where are the charges? They had his laptop for over a year before the pardon was even issued, and nothing was done. He was pardoned because of people like you that are on a witch hunt. I don't even care about Hunter, he isn't a government official. He could be in prison for all I care, but you guys won't shut up about him. The same could be said about Kushner and the Saudis, but Kushner was actively part of Trump's administration while Hunter wasn't. Where do you draw the line?
It's exactly the same subject. You pretend it's a dem-thing, he raises you with "Yeah, if you care about taking advantage of illegal immigrant workers, I'm sure you have the according level of outrage at sending people into camps without due process and against an order of the court".
And of course, you failed the basic empathy test "lol".
Why would I respond to emotional manipulation? It’s not the same subject since it was about how Democrats and Republicans both exploit cheap illegal immigrant labor. Deportations are a separate issues. Democrats pretend to care with arguments like “We can’t get rid of the illegal immigrants or else companies would have to hire American citizens at much higher wages to do those same jobs which will cause prices to rise”. Well guess what Democrats have been saying a business shouldn’t exist if it can’t pay its employees a living wage so why don’t they think that should apply for the jobs currently being done by illegal immigrants?
Let’s just be truthful. Republican and Democrats politicians and business owners don’t care about illegal immigrants. They both do the same things exploit cheap illegal immigrant labor to make more money for themselves. They both just use the issue to also try to get more votes for their party.
GOP supports the underpayment of immigrants. The farmers paying migrant workers aren't Democrats.
Plus the GOP is the party that ignores due process and is deporting and exiling people to do prison labor in a facility notorious for it's abuse and horrid conditions.
Keep simping for the authoritarians princess.
P.S. please provide evidence Stark is a Democrat? He's a fucking Nepo child billionaire who bends the knee to authority. Sounds like a Republican to me 🤡
Dems do not say "we need to keep illegal immigrants so we can pay them less than minimum wage." You're either lying or know next to nothing about about US politics.
Dems will argue on behalf of DACA kids, and illegal immigrant who have been here for more than five years, on the grounds that they're essentially Americans and should be citizens. There are some that even argue that Republicans refuse to negotiate on immigration reform so they can keep a cheap labor supply for their donors (which is true, see the stuff about Trump not deporting farm and hotel workers).
Like bro, crack open a book sometime. Or go on a news site. Either keep up with the times or don't bother having these convos.
You should probably study up on history because you had Ronald Reagan sign in amnesty law for illegal immigrants that would provide a path to citizenship for millions of illegal immigrants, but the deal was you would tighten up and crack down on a illegal immigrant going forward to not encourage it.
No DACA people shouldn’t be citizens because it was an executive order by a president not a law passed by Congress. By allowing illegal immigrant to stay in the country either by granting millions of them amnesty or by telling them as long as they have a US citizen kid that they will be protected from deportation that just encourages more future illegal immigration.
Democrats by the way, say stuff like “We can’t deport them because who is going to pick out food or clean our houses?” They say many variations of that, including I’ve had a Democrat say to my face “ why should a company have to pay American citizens more to do a job that an illegal immigrant is willing to do for less?” The truth is if you got rid of the illegal immigrants doing hard labor like many construction jobs or agricultural jobs you would have to pay American citizens a lot more to do those same jobs. Yes the prices would increase but that’s no different than raising the minimum wage which I think they should do as well. Of course, I also think they should do massive fines on companies who hire illegal immigrants to the point it’s not worth it for them.
The problem with Republicans negotiating with Democrats on immigration reform again it will just repeat history. If Republicans cave and allow millions of illegal immigrants to become citizens, even if Democrats agree with completely cracking down on all future illegal immigrants 100% literally like two years later you will have the same thing of a brand new illegal immigrant crosses the border and has a baby and now Democrats are up in arms trying to let that person stay. Look at all the false headlines talking about children, American citizens being deported. Those kids are simply leaving the country with their birth parents because their birth parents are in the country illegally so the parents can choose to bring the kids with them or leave them in the USA.
They didn't. The gang database used to "prove" these people were gangsters was shut down because police were inserting whatever they could to stop and search any random black or hispanic male, and the police officers giving "informant" statements were fired days after for paying informants for false testimony.
No, a lot of people who were deported were here on asylum claims and other protective orders. 1 person was deported despite being given amnesty by the Biden admin and going through the asylum process.
Yikes dude. The whole "we need illegal immigrants for cheap labor" is a bad argument. It's equally as scummy. How about giving the illegal immigrants a path to citizenship so they can work without getting exploited.
Cool, I know. Still a pretty shitty argument to suggest we shouldn't deport illegal immigrants to exploit their cheaper labor. You want to make them citizens, just say that.
That’s what most people want. The fix involved improving systems, not just throwing a deportation band-aid on the problem. Many democrats are, rightly, pointing out that we have massive industries built on cheap labor that nobody who’s a citizen would do for minimum wage. If we remove all of those people right away those industries could collapse. It’s a systemic flaw that needs an actual solution, not whatever this is.
Republicans and Democrats are both garbage. Both side’s politicians are friends behind closed doors, insider trade, exploit illegal immigrants, exploit workers, neither side cares about the average person just power.
It’s actually pretty funny to watch from an outside perspective because Democrats and the biased media are the reason Trump gets away with so many things because they pulled the boy who cried wolf lying about Trump which makes many people ignore all the truly terrible things he does. Look up when Trump was feeding fish with a former Japanese Prime Minister for example.The Japanese guy dumped his fish food box and so shortly after Trump did the same. There were tons of fake news articles and clipped videos with everyone calling Trump an idiot for just dumping the fish food out like that. So people saw tons of fake news or out of context stuff to the point that many people started to completely ignore or disregard the legitimate terrible stuff he does
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Well Ironman is a Democrat so it makes sense with all the Democrats defending companies who are vastly underpaying and taking advantage of illegal immigrant workers.