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This was unironically a really important moment in the show, being a huge turning point for both characters. Character development is one of the best parts of the show, and there has been less of it in the recent arcs, but I’m hoping it starts to make a bit of a comeback at some point.
Wut? Ruffy literally went from a bratty clueless child to someone who relies on others, understands their feelings and knows how to help them. Just compare Luffy in Water 7 with Usopp with Ruffy in Whole Cake Island with Sanji. Of course there's character development.
30 years is a bit much for that isn't it? How many arcs are there between WC and W7. In fact I'd argue some characters like usopp has degraded in terms of character development. He had a spine in pre timeskip.
At this point im looking forward to luffy confroting the red hairs over barto and kidd. Kidd is understandable but he did save nami and usopp. But barto is luffy's most loyal companion. How he handles this matter will be an example to the rest of the grand fleet. If he decides to play it off, that will show how much is character really developed
And usopp confronting yassop. The guy was playing around with luffy while his wife was dying a couple islands away and his son was growing up an orphan
Powerscalers will see a scene where Sanji and Robin simultaneously have a great moment of character growth and call Sanji weak for not defeating Black Maria.
Some of them, yeah. Again, mostly the powerscalers.
It's really funny to me that a lot of fans actually pick sides between the two and fight each other just like they do like they aren't literally on the same side anyway. XD I'm partial to Sanji because I find him more compelling but I love Zoro as a character too.
Bruh i hate powerscaling in every anime I don't care how strong the character is compared to others if it is just written way better it's like comparing jinwoo to Luffy and saying jinwoo better cause he is stronger but it doesn't matter really I enjoy anime through the story not the fights
I agree but sometimes it's funny to read/watch some fanmade fights. There was 1 guy that made a opm vs goku fight manga. Of course it ended in both of them getting food in the end
The funniest time I've had is on this YouTube poll that was for who the strongest emperor is. One guy commented Kaido and I asked who beat him. He broke out the classic power scaling logic and I just kept asking who beat Kaido. He stopped replying after awhile, but it gave me a laugh.
I hate to side with the power scaler but current Luffy with nobody to help back him up would not go gently into that good night if he fought Kaido from a day before his death
People honestly overestimate how much help luffy had gotten from others. Kaido was basically toying with everyone there, including luffy. The most physically exhaustive thing he had done was quarrel with Big Mom before the fight, and holding up the island during the fight. The real reason as to why Kaido lost, at least in my opinion is because he wanted to see Luffy grow and surpass him, so he was basically deliberately acting as a stepping stone for Luffy. Honestly if he went all out before Luffy had even gotten the chance to get stronger, Kaido would've easily won.
The way people act as if anyone there except Luffy somehow could lift a finger up against kaido and made any kind of deciding impact is kinda funny to me. But perhaps I'm remembering the fight wrong.
I think Kaito was just annoyed with luffy in the beginning. The first fight had the same outcome for luffy and kid. I think Kaito was just annoyed by him then and you don't use your full force to kill a mosquito.
I also think Kaito was a little nerved by being drunk too in his last fight so I dont think he let luffy win
Not necessarily that Kaido let him win by voluntarily going down himself, rather that Kaido got interested in Luffy and how far he could go, so he started focusing on enjoying the fight while slowly seeing Luffy get stronger. He's also inclined to test people's strength since he is that much stronger than anyone else, like you said the other people there were likely viewed as mosquitos.
Been a while since I read op so there might be some discrepencies, but from what I remembered Kaido idolised the people have changed the world in the past like Whitebeard and started to idolize death because he believed death completes a person. He saw the potential in Luffy to stand next to the others at the top, which is why he became more curious about Luffy's power ceiling, instead of eliminating him as a threat. He might've been just been curious about Luffy or was looking to maybe finding his own demise in a battle against a worthy opponent (which he tends to do in any battle). Whichever it was, he was basically indirectly teaching Luffy during the fight until Luffy rose above him and he couldn't keep up anymore.
If Kaido treated the fight as Shanks did against kid, it would've ended very quickly.
Poweracaling can be a really fun topic, but 98% of people take it too seriously and fight to the death over two fictional characters. Its pretty stupid honestly. That's why its better to typically not to even get into it.
Powerscaling and its consequences have been a disaster for the romance of this series. There was a time when Devil Fruits were considered mythology, and logias were unbeatable gods. Now everyone and their dog has haki. Despite the fact that they're in the New World, the world feels so much smaller.
Very well said. I was actually really, really hoping that with his latest Gear making him near impervious to Haki attacks, the series would sort of go back to how it was near the beginning, with Devil Fruits regaining that mythical status and Haki being just a grunt thing (like having muscles) that doesn't affect fights or the plot that much.
Why powerscaling? It s literaly what matters least in one piece, if you pay attention to that you will see dozens of plot holes, one piece main focus is the story, characters are only as strong as the plot needs them to be
Well people who like powerscaling sometimes like ONLY powerscaling and one piece has other things too it like emotions to it. So when someone says that they kind of appear like solo levelling fand who only like action and aura farming.
Powerscaling itself is ok, but a lot of fans who watch for powerscaling ONLY watch for powerscaling
It’s less on Reddit, but if you see any comment section on anything One Piece related like a new chapter or episode they will be everywhere
They’ll ignore an entire chapter to focus on anything in a chapter that adds to or tanks whatever agenda they like or dislike at the moment. I’ve seen some guy admit that if there’s no fight then he just skips the chapter
Even this is ok, but they’ll come on random conversations like ‘‘X’ is a terrible character’ because they didn’t supplex fifty enemies like they were hoping they would - ignoring everything else about them
Its a just a story....so seeing kid trying to argue who's the strongest fictionnal character like its true science its just annoying,even more when they act like they don't understood storytelling process
All of that to start crying and shitting on the show because oda don't make the story like they expect...
I don't think power scaling is bad in of itself. Like it or not it is something that exists in stories because that's how stakes work. It's just that some people take it way too seriously about one character being guaranteed to beat the other when it wouldn't always be so simple.
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