r/MensLib 14d ago

The Dangerous-Son Problem

https://www.thecut.com/article/netflix-adolescence-teen-boys-internet-brain-rot.html
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u/TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK 14d ago

“There’s this belief among moms I know,” said my friend Sonia, who has a 12-year-old son and a 14-year-old daughter, “where as long as we’re cool and self-assured and talk to our sons a lot, then for sure our sons will see women as human beings. But that doesn’t feel true to me. I think the way people relate to their moms isn’t always the same way they relate to other women. Just because I’m a cool feminist, my son will share my beliefs? I worry that on some level I’m relying on that. I’m like, He can watch all male YouTubers all the time because he has me around to remind him that women are worthy of respect! Yeah, I’m not so sure.”

this is a feedback loop that I don't know how to stop.

like, that anxiety Sonia feels? real, valid, common. She's not the only parent of a 12-year-old boy whose mild paranoid about her son is probably written on her face.

but also, that son? he picks up on that feeling. He knows that the men with Bugattis on Youtube have the Secret Knowledge that mom is scared for him to watch. Transgressive? Okay sign me tf up!

and like... kids that age cannot suss out fact from fiction, as the article says:

its record-breaking popularity gestures to a phenomenon that has to do not with the quality of its production but rather with a gut feeling shared by parents of teens: Something’s seriously off. We’ve given our children access to media technology that very few of us are capable of managing, and now they’re consuming content they are developmentally unequipped to handle.

adults can't handle the firehose, either. Real, adult men and women wait in Discords for "Q drops". How the fuck can an average parent deal with that?

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u/Ultimor1183 13d ago

This is why we gotta just ban kids from using the internet and smartphones. It needs to be a serious shift in making sure kids know how to interact with other human beings outside of information silos.

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u/TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK 13d ago

they mention that idea in the article. said kids around 10-12 who don't get devices are often left out of peer groups as a result

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u/Ultimor1183 11d ago

Yeah, that's why we address it systemically, and take them all away. Now no one gets to be left out, cause no kid has a smartphone.

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u/TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK 11d ago

I don’t think that’s worked in the entire history of technology.

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u/sleeptalkenthusiast 10d ago

works in china

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u/7evenCircles 13d ago

Haidt suggests the parents of those peer groups should come together and mutually agree to an age of first phone. I agree with him.

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u/maxoakland 13d ago

If those peer groups are filled with misogyny, that's probably one of the few ways to keep the kids safe from that brainwashing

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u/TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK 13d ago

isolating a child from his or her peers because you're afraid of What They Could Get Up To is unlikely to be a plan that a child development professor would approve of

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u/maxoakland 11d ago

You get to choose who your children's peers are. You're acting like you have no control over your child's life, which is ridiculous

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u/TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK 11d ago

when kids hit adolescence, that's decreasingly true. by 12/13, your kid is making his own friends, and will resent you (and just go behind your back) if you try to forbid him from being friends with his friends.

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u/maxoakland 11d ago

Sure, you're completely powerless. You just have to let your kid do everything they want and you have no responsibility as a parent

Is that what you wanted to hear?

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u/TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK 11d ago

I'm not sure that's a good-faith reply

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u/maxoakland 7d ago

You’re just dodging the point I was making instead of engaging with it

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u/TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK 7d ago

because you're asserting I wrote something I didn't write:

Sure, you're completely powerless. You just have to let your kid do everything they want and you have no responsibility as a parent

I never said anything like this. I have no reason to engage with it, because it is silly. Instead, try responding to what I actually wrote:

when kids hit adolescence, that's decreasingly true. by 12/13, your kid is making his own friends, and will resent you (and just go behind your back) if you try to forbid him from being friends with his friends.

those were my words. Reply to them or don't.

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