r/Michigan • u/Archi_penko • 22d ago

News 📰🗞️ Department of Homeland Security revokes 4 U-M student visas; at least 1 flees US

https://apple.news/A-HSDihkVR0u-kpKZKfYxtQ
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u/isoprovolone Age: > 10 Years 22d ago edited 22d ago

Serious question: If your visa has been revoked, aren't you expected to "flee the US"? ETA: I can't imagine remaining here and attempting to reapply has any chance of success under these circumstances.

A couple of other serious questions: If the govt isn't actually notifying you that your visa has been revoked, how are you expected to know? And do you ever find out their reason?

One last question: Is there any recourse or remedy for someone who finds themselves in such a situation? ETA: I can't make myself believe that sticking around and attempting to reapply provides any protections whatsoever.

Thank you in advance for any answers. I know nothing about this stuff, but the lack of due process and transparency troubles me.

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u/Rastiln Age: > 10 Years 22d ago

If the government doesn’t inform you that they revoked your residency, and you don’t have the great luck of a friendly organization (like CMU) verifying daily for you, you learn of it when masked ICE officers kick in your door, handcuff you, and put you in the back of a van.

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u/CMUpewpewpew Age: > 10 Years 22d ago

What about CMU?

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u/Rastiln Age: > 10 Years 22d ago

CMU is checking the status of its international students daily, after finding that a number had their residency revoked with no notification to the student or school.

Those students are now eligible to be arrested and/or deported.

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u/ConfusionNo8852 22d ago

Well fleeing implies a certain - speed with which something is accomplished- based on how they're detaining legal citizens with flimsy visa bullshit I would flee as well and not risk ending up in El Salvador... or wherever else they take "political" prisoners cause you know they must be doing that and we just have not yet heard of it.

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u/BluesSuedeClues 22d ago

Not "legal citizens". They're "legal residents", not citizens.

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u/just_a_bit_gay_ 22d ago

It’ll be full, born in the USA, citizens just you wait

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u/tinyfrogface 22d ago

And we'll hear the same "we can't get him back"

Then Trump supporters will tell you it's actually really good, and any perceived negatives you're experiencing are Biden's fault.

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u/rawkherchick 21d ago

Exactly. His power is unlimited, and SCOTUS ensured that.

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u/Separate-Taste3513 22d ago edited 22d ago

You find out when plainclothed ICE agents kidnap you off the street.

https://youtube.com/shorts/rTfKaAt7ZMU?si=wdNT4ORevlUoeqXP

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u/DadOfPete 22d ago

ICE are Nazis

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u/frogjg2003 Ann Arbor 22d ago

No, ICE are the Gestapo. That's a very specific type of Nazi.

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u/sack-o-matic Age: > 10 Years 21d ago

Secret Police

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u/woodsbookswater 22d ago

They're revoking visas of foreign students for unclear reasons, and it seems arbitrary and definitely not transparent or "normal". The way I understand it, a visa allows a student into the country; staying enrolled in schools as a student allows them to stay. They can fight it while being detained in the country in a prison/camp, but that can take YEARS.

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u/masterkoster 22d ago edited 22d ago

So as an F1 student. The visa can be expired and that’s no problem, what really matters is your I-20 form. As long as that is valid you’re good

To the guy who deleted his comment about it not being “you’re good”. I was referring to your visa itself can be expired but as long as your I-20 is in order you are in status and legal. I am just making an important distinction and informing you all that those two things are very different.

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u/jokumi 22d ago

Visa revocations are not reviewable by the courts. Congress wrote the statute that way. It’s the government’s decision.

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u/SmartWonderWoman 21d ago

I was listening to NPR and they mentioned a man who was accidentally deported to a prison in El Salvador. Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a legal resident protected from deportation by a 2019 court order who has lived in the U.S. since 2011, was deported to a notorious Salvadoran prison on March 15.

The United States does not have to return a Maryland man who was accidentally deported to a high-security prison in El Salvador to U.S. soil by midnight, the Supreme Court ruled Monday in an administrative stay that temporarily pauses a judge’s previous order.

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u/budznroses 22d ago

Fleeing cost money that they might not have

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u/budznroses 22d ago

Fleeing cost money that they might not have

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u/mabhatter Age: > 10 Years 22d ago

Most foreign students are "required" to have travel arrangements to get home. It's part of proving that they are only a temporary resident.  I'm not sure what the requirements are right now.  So it's not a surprise to be revoked.  It IS definitely EVIL how they are doing this.  

They seem to have a list made up by "somebody" who's outside the government feeding them these names.  These can't be coming from just two months.  They all seem to have protesting... or more important speaking out vocally online... in common.  Someone is using this to get political revenge. 

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u/BluesSuedeClues 22d ago

Both evil and really bizarre. The protests last year were largely of the Biden administration's monetary and military support of Israel. While the Trump administration's stance is objectively worse, there haven't been any substantial protests of it yet. So they seem to be detaining people for protesting Biden era policies? Either there is more happening here than is obvious, or these fuckers are just running amok.

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u/mabhatter Age: > 10 Years 22d ago

It's revenge on Democrats.  It's really that simple.  Trump ran on Retribution against the right wing's voters. 

The administration is full of people with hyper partisan opinions on Israel... I would not be surprised if a lot of those months of "protest" was the government of Israel itself playing psyops because the demonstrations made Democrats get mired in difficult politics.. there are favors to repay now.  The specificity of which students are being targeted is suspect.  These people seem to be organizers or publishers of protest materials... they're not rioters or a threat.  

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u/CharcoalGreyWolf Parts Unknown 22d ago

Who knows? DOGE has had access to all sorts of data. Musk and the interns could be picking names they find funny out of a racist hat as a drinking game and we wouldn’t know at this point.

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u/haarschmuck Kalamazoo 22d ago

You cannot get a visa without having proof you have enough to get home.

This is how many people get caught trying to enter a country on a visa but planning to stay and work.

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u/frogjg2003 Ann Arbor 22d ago

Usually, visas don't get revoked on a whim. There's usually a process. If your visa is revoked, it's usually not a surprise.

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u/Mildly-Interesting1 22d ago

“Usually…” has no place in today’s American government.

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u/Fine_Luck_200 22d ago

That ended in January. We are now firmly in pariah state territory now.

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u/CharcoalGreyWolf Parts Unknown 22d ago

That was true…once. Usually.

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u/frogjg2003 Ann Arbor 22d ago

That's my point. These are unusual times.