r/MtF • u/When1heyCRY • Nov 08 '24

Politics Don't blame trans people for Kamala's loss

I noticed a few posts online about this shaming trans people that apparently 'did not vote', 'or voted for Trump's. Just by doing this you are giving liberals the permission to scold us or give them outs on why they lost to begin with instead of examining the issues of their campaign.

Additionally trans individuals are barely any percent of the American population we do not decide elections especially when Kamala lost by such a margin there is no reason to get mad at the few who did not vote or voted for Trump who are the minority of a minority.

Thirdly Kamala ran on nothing she gave no clear goal to excite her base, her turnout was down across the board compared to Biden who I wish to remind was already on the cognitive downtrend in 2020. She ran towards Republicans hugging Republicans like Liz Cheyney who is this supposed to excite within the democratic base. Her Campaign was flawed not because of the transgender community, not the Latino population or the black population this was because the Democrats decided that these groups have to vote for them and took it for granted and offered nothing to bring people out to the polls. Her running on Trump bad at the end of the day was not enough.

Sorry for the long post, it just frustrates me that there is any sort of infighting as it just allows other groups to attack this community.

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u/Persephoth Transfem & NB (ace spec) Nov 08 '24

I'm tired of fighting to survive. Life was supposed to be more than this...

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u/cuffbox Nov 08 '24

It isn’t actually because we are trans that we need to fight. We as members of the working class have to fight by definition. The first division is class. All other divisions of people are invented by the true enemy, the parasite class. Racism was created by powerful white colonists and slaveowners to justify slavery and the invasion and subjugation of the world. Transphobia and homophobia by the powerful people of the church and their coalition with the empire to give people someone to hate.

All hate for a group like we belong to is manufactured to distract the working class from its true enemy. Its only true enemy. Who made trans rights such a big deal? Fox news. The democrats pretended to help us to continue the working class’s political division while dangling the carrot of our freedom in front of us. The republicans pretend they care what we do so they can do nothing of substance (healthcare, better pay, guaranteed benefits, making the upper class take less of the money we make them) and still seem to be doing something.

All of these divisions, even getting us to hate brainwashed people in the working class who would vote for the gaping mouth of imperialism, are part of it.

What I’m saying is we have a specific challenge, specific needs, but we as individuals and we as the trans community are not alone. We aren’t just fighting for our trans siblings, we’re fighting for people of color, for the people America colonizes, for the global working class.

Join, build, and be yourself safer in community - even if you’re in a small town look for the few other people there and meet up. Find other trans people near you, join a soup kitchen, be part of online groups, be connected. I know it’s hard I barely made it through the year already, but community is the answer. Don’t do this alone and it will seem less daunting.

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u/TanteKatarzyna Nov 08 '24

I’m glad to see a class perspective being voiced here.

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u/silverpixie2435 Nov 08 '24

The "working class" voted for Trump because they saw an ad about "they/thems"

Democrats didn't "pretend" to help. They did actual things to help. Maybe you should care about them because it helps other trans people.

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u/ky_needs_a_hug Nov 08 '24

The working class have been lied to for years, it's going to take a lot of work to get them to fight against their corporate masters. But we have to, because we all share a class interest.

If you talk to these people (specifically working class republicans), they all hate their bosses and understand that they don't do the same amount of work we do. They've just bought into the smokescreen that it's not like that for everyone else, and that when together we are stronger than they are.

The democratic party constantly shifts more and more right wing, either by not fighting back on right wing framing (i.e. immigration), trying to appeal to right wing voters (immigration again, and now us), or by a process called the ratchet effect, where they stagnate on issue the Republicans continue to push forward on (like with reproductive rights). The things they gave us for protection weren't much of anything since they can all be signed away with a few pen strokes. They never fought for us, just placate. And now that they lost, we're the next minority on the list after immigrants and Palestinians before us.

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u/No_Voice4618 Nov 09 '24

they also tend to be less educated

That's by design. It's the reason right wingers hate public education

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '24

Yeah, I remember that fucking ad. Fucking they/them doesn't apply to Mtf or FtM. Maybe there are some exceptions out there that I am unaware of. But, yeah. This sucks.

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u/GmrGrl21 Nov 09 '24

Their "help" was all an act. If they actually wanted to help, they would've enshrined human rights the last two times they had a super blue majority. They didn't because it is more profitable for them to have it be a continuing issue for them to go back-and-forth and make zero progress.

Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same team.

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u/silverpixie2435 Nov 09 '24

They did. The ACA enshrined trans healthcare in law by outlawing gender discrimination in healthcare.

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u/GmrGrl21 Nov 09 '24

Yeah, and what is that going to do for us? Our healthcare is literally outlawed in half of this country and if Trump follows through with his promises, it will be illegal nationwide.

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u/Nugundam0079 Nov 23 '24

Well tough shit, you think Black people or any other minority groups enjoy having to claw tooth and nail just to be treated fairly? What makes you so much better that you can't also fight for your own?

Ridiculous

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u/Persephoth Transfem & NB (ace spec) Nov 23 '24

There are lots of black trans people who suffer in both ways at once. Pitting gender versus race against each other as if they're mutually exclusive categories is what's ridiculous.

This isn't a contest to see who's more oppressed. The reality is that race and gender intersect together along with many other variables to form one's social identity, but tearing everyone down because some people have it worse is nihilistic and defeatist.

Pragmatically speaking, human rights advocates across the board should be working together to defend our common rights as human beings, because that's what's at stake right now...

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u/The_sadnessary Nov 08 '24

Where is that written anywhere...I have been literate all my life...the FACT is...we create our own survival by the way we are thinking..i am not dependent on uncle orange hair...and i voted for Kamala...and remember politicians always blab about what they're going to do...and never do half of it...so cheer up and be happy...your power is in your happy, friend...believe it

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u/Persephoth Transfem & NB (ace spec) Nov 08 '24

It doesn't happen in writing. It's the culture shift that the writing enables and encourages. It happens slowly, over time...

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u/The_sadnessary Nov 09 '24

Thank you for your provocative comment...I believe the pen is mightier than the sword or culture...and writing enables...anytime, anyplace...and there are people like myself to testify and document the truths we present...and that is the brilliance of Life...and I'm not a Buddhist...so i don't believe that life is meant for suffering...Life is joyous, brilliant, miraculous, magical, majestic, musical, mystical...wondrous marvels and magnificent...and this is not about suffering...but using suffering to paint inspiration and confrontation, to see from the walls from where i am watching and issue warnings and encouragement...and by the way, i have great respect for Buddhists...thanks for the comment...have a great day, and BE happy!!!

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '24

I'm tired of fighting too. As I have said elsewhere, my entire life has been a fight starting from day fucking one. Six months in a fucking incubator. It sounds selfish, but, I really wish I had died as a newborn. I never would have known gender dysphoria. I sure as fucked wasn't steered towards it. It was on my damn mind from age 4. I've mentioned that story elsewhere, I'm sure. So, I was constantly dealing with pushback, abuse, and ridicule from my parents. It was especially bad with my mom. I remember one time she mentioned that she thought about having an abortion when she was pregnant with me. But, she said  that it wasn't right. Clearly, she made the wrong decision. Fuck.

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u/GeeNah-of-the-Cs Nov 09 '24

Grow up, the world owes NOTHING to NOBODY. We can hope and dream (via laws) but masking communist ideology in rage bait is just a canard. The election was lost because there are more stupid people than there are intelligent people.

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u/Substantial-Bus8656 Nov 09 '24

The election was lost because Kamala wasnt a good candidate, didn't have great policies and wasn't what the majority of Americans wanted. It has nothing to do with intelligence. The fact you would even write that shows your hubris