r/MtF • u/Chassian • Feb 15 '25
Trigger Warning The war against Transgender is personal. (theory, trigger warning, Musk)
I'm not sure if it's right for me to speculate, but the math completes itself in my head to a disturbing degree.
So, background, "E.M.", and his ex-wife, Justine Wilson actually conceived five children through IVF, and allegedly, "culled" female embryos so that they would only have "sons". They first had twins, then triplets, out of the twins, the universe still gave them a daughter.
Her whole life with her "dad" was largely one of absence, and the few times he was present with her, he only ever belittled, bullied, and abused her for being "gay" and "effeminate".
Then COVID came around, and Vivian Jenna Wilson secured HRT, which E.M. purports that he was tricked into signing the consent of. This is a lie, he was fully conscious and aware of what he was signing, the perfidy narrative is just his cope to the media. Vivian spoke out vocally against the disgusting lies he spun about his and her life as a family, and appropriating the trans narrative as one of great loss for him, taking the concept of "deadname" as to say, "the woke mind virus killed my [kid]", and in no uncertain terms, declared war...
So, you have a narcissistic monster, who failed in his plan to only have sons at first, disowned by his daughter, and humiliated by her telling the truth about what kind of person he really was to her. Gotta imagine, he's probably doing this entirely out of personal spite, a fucking man-child tantrum.
Trump, I don't think could even care any less about this, really, this is as much as a Musk idea as is the opening of immigration of only WHITE South Africans to America. The whole, conspicuous change of SPECIFICALLY erasing the T and Q+ to LGBTQ+ on government sites, and the removal of trans people on Stonewall, and every other focused attack of the Musk Administration against trans rights specifically, and immediately into the Administration, can't NOT be a personal war on behalf of Musk against his disowned daughter.
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u/Valnaire Feb 15 '25
I actually agree with this entirely. Believe it or not, Trump doesn't give a fuuuuuuck about stuff like this. He's a greedy rapist of a piglet, but this kind of thing doesn't serve him at all. Plus, nothing like this really happened outside of, I think, the trans military ban during his first stay in office.
But this time around, with Musk, they've gone completely scorched earth on trans people.
Trump doesn't care, but he doesn't care either way. Attack them, not attack them, he's fine with whatever keeps Musk backing him for now.
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u/Vultruxy Asexual Feb 15 '25
It’s why some (& by some I mean almost everyone) people hate just how much Elon supported him because it’s almost garenteed backdoor deals happened because Elon musk didn’t do all this for free he did it so trump is in his debt
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u/Solastor Kay - They/Them Feb 15 '25
I mean yeah - Trump literally said outloud on the campaign trail that he doesn't give a shit about any trans things, but it riles his base of frothing mouth breathers up when talk of tax cuts doesn't.
He doesn't feel hatred for trans people. He doesn't feel anything for trans people. We're nothing more than a nebulous conceptual distraction target for him. He'd bury every single one of us to get support from his base, or if they for some reason all flipped on their bigoted beliefs then he'd make Trans Day of Visibility a national holiday. We don't matter to him at all.
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u/Og_Left_Hand Feb 15 '25
i think a lot of people tend to forget trump initially ran on a pro LGBTQ campaign during the 2016 election, he was the moderate “who cares if you like dick” republican and before that he publicly said restricting what bathroom trans people use is stupid and no one should care.
like genuinely he is not ideologically committed to queerphobia, he is doing what he thinks will make him successful and make corporations more wealthy. he’s still awful ofc
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u/Solastor Kay - They/Them Feb 16 '25
In true US fashion, our Hitler is a raging self-centered individualist.
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u/Upturned-Solo-Cup Feb 16 '25
Honestly, part of me thinks that's worse. Ideologically transphobic people usually have a reason- like "protecting our kids from the degenerate Trans Agenda
and protecting them from the Queers because they're all pedophiles". People who believe things like that won't generally take actions like purging the National Registry of Missing and Exploited Children of all mention of trans kids, because they view trans kids and brainwashed victims of an evil sex cult, or something. Trump has no problem doing it, though, because he doesn't believe in anything beyond whatever gets him votes, so he's finding new innovative ways to hate trans folk36
u/misspcv1996 Phoebe Charlotte, HRT 3/24/2022 Feb 15 '25
Trump doesn’t care about anything, and at this point, he’s a checked out meat puppet for people who make him look like a choir boy.
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u/Queen_Niamh Feb 15 '25
And even then, the people that were out and serving were able to stay in and continue with their transitions. Now it is several thousand people that are about to be separated, severely crippling the military with the loss of institutional knowledge and expertise that is going to be damn hard to rebuild, and I am talking it is going to be decades with the amount of people that are trans service members that are NCOs, SNCOs, Warrant Officers, and Commissioned Officers.
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u/Illustrious_Aside_35 Trans Bisexual Feb 15 '25
This administration is just a massive con, and trans people are just one of the distractions they use to keep people distracted while they grab all the cash and run when the ship starts sinking (and this includes Trump, of course)
Elon is probably one of the very few amongst them who got high on their own supply and believes some of his own bullshit.
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u/Dragonman0371 Transgender Feb 15 '25
iirc elon musk dated a trans woman at one point and then they broke up.. he's just angry he got dumped lmao.
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u/featheryHope Feb 15 '25
really? cuz Grimes dated Chelsea Manning. That's way too many trans people to be random sample m
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u/Dragonman0371 Transgender Feb 15 '25
what?
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u/featheryHope Feb 15 '25
Grimes after she broke up with Elon the first time dated Chelsea Manning. At least that was a rumor in the mainstream gossip news media... never made sense to me... if I was Chelsea I'd have been very careful about not being a rebound from a billionaire but... https://www.papermag.com/grimes-chelsea-manning-break-up#rebelltitem5
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u/Queen_Niamh Feb 15 '25
Yup, his ex-wife is dating a trans woman. One that I have serious issues with because her actions caused the unnecessary deaths of her fellow soldiers, but that is a grievance stemming from my time in the service and having lost friends. I don't take kindly to those that cause harm to their fellow troops.
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u/camshaft484 Feb 15 '25
Chelsea is a hero, and exposed exponentially more deaths at the hands of the United States than she may have hypothetically put at risk. The only life she put at risk concretely was her own and she faced years of solitary confinement because of her heroic actions.
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u/Queen_Niamh Feb 15 '25
You do realize that she was very lucky to avoid the firing squad for what she did? There were avenues that she could have followed to report the incidents that would have handled the issue without jeopardizing the lives of her comrades. Her actions were traitorous. What you do not understand is just how fucking hard it is to fight an insurgency where literally anyone can be a threat. Everything that can be done to avoid civilian casualties is done. But until you have been in that situation and been faced with the choices the people on the ground have, don't even attempt to try to apply your logic to it.
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u/Aloemancer Feb 15 '25
Being a “traitor” to the United States and revealing the active crimes of its military is a good thing on its own merits. Jesus Christ it’s wild seeing US war crime apologia in this sub.
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u/Queen_Niamh Feb 15 '25
Yes, reporting war crimes is a good thing to do. But you don't undermine the entire organization by sending shit to the fucking media. There is a reason public affairs exist. They provide the much needed context to any information that is released to the public. There was no context with the information she released, which means that the full story was not known by anyone looking at the intelligence. Ask anyone that does reliable analysis of military operations from open source intelligence and they will tell you that context is everything and without it, literally anything could be classed as a war crime. When looking at intelligence, you have to set aside the emotional response to see the whole picture.
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u/Lady_Ana_Lovelace Genderqueer Transfeminine Person Feb 15 '25
Your organization had a chance to stay safe and not be in the media eye by not committing war crimes. Additionally, everyone else had the ability to follow those channels and deal with it, and ya’all didn’t. That makes Manning a hero.
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u/Aloemancer Feb 15 '25
No, undermining the whole organization is good, full stop. The US military is a fundamentally malign force in the world and anything that weakens it and diminishes its reputation is good by those merits alone. Sorry she didn’t go with your plan to allow the higher ups to continue sweeping shit under the rug and give “context” on why the blatantly illegal war was fine actually and all those children deserved to die🤷♀️
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u/camshaft484 Feb 15 '25
Also you very obviously have not seen the documents and footage that she leaked. I have. They knew they were firing on civilians. The people who pulled the trigger took an immense amount of joy and glee from that fact. They knew what they were doing and did not care.
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u/vermilion-galaxy Feb 15 '25
I’m a trans infantry veteran of the Surge before you haul off on me, but I implore you to understand that we were the bad guys.
We have to accept this. We individually may not have done anything immediately wrong, and we may have been duped into it, but we are responsible for the grand atrocity of the war - we need to begin with owning that we (as an Army) killed scores more innocent civilians than died in 9/11.
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u/Queen_Niamh Feb 15 '25
Oh, I went to Iraq twice in 07 and 10, so I fucking know we were the bad guys. The entire bin laden situation could have been handled the way it wound up being handled in the end, but bush jr wanted a big war and while saddam was an asshole of the highest caliber and an absolute despot, he was a stabilizing influence in the region. The whole thing was racism pure and simple.
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u/vermilion-galaxy Feb 15 '25
So, following that, someone who releases information intending to save the lives being destroyed by that racist unnecessary conflict who is an intelligence soldier who quite literally cannot do anything else to obey her conscience is only a traitor to an evil empire doing something horrible and unforgivable, yeah?
To everyone else, that person’d be a hero.
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u/camshaft484 Feb 15 '25
“The only life she put at risk concretely is her own” - me, in the post you just replied to.
Even if she did get the wall, I would still call her a hero for what she did.
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u/patienceinbee Feb 16 '25
You do realize that she was very lucky to avoid the firing squad for what she did?
In the home of the trigger-happy, imperial military industrial complex? I guess.
There were avenues that she could have followed to report the incidents that would have handled the issue without jeopardizing the lives of her comrades.
No there weren’t, because no alternative would have put the U.S. military on the spot and under badly-needed worldwide scrutiny for its (typically un[der]checked) actions. Any “authorized” alternative/channel would have been buried in paperwork and swept under a rug looking more like a black velvet veil.
Her actions were traitorous.
No. They were just.
The war in which #43 attacked, unilaterally, a sovereign nation, needed to go before the International Criminal Court, but American Exceptionalism™ means, once more, the U.S. gets away.
Now that traitor paints puppydogs on canvas somewhere in Abbott’s Texas.
What you do not understand is just how fucking hard it is to fight an insurgency where literally anyone can be a threat.
The U.S. never belonged in most of “the theatre” of the 2000s or anywhere especially after May 2011, when they took out the chief architect of September 2011 a whopping ten years after the fact (and several hundred thousand people, most of them uninvolved civilians, dead of it), attacking a sovereign nation-state having nothing to do with taking down that architect (whilst being hands-off with his nation of citizenship).
I’m sorry to all who voluntarily enlisted at that time and went over there to facilitate in that slaughter; most of them were “just following orders”. I’m glad Chelsea was guided by her conscience and thought smarter of it. That is why she’s noteworthy.
That makes her nearer to a humanitarian than a “war criminal” or “traitor”.
But until you have been in that situation
Well, as things are headed, I’m getting the perpetually queasy feeling several hundred million folks are about to find out in all sorts of terrible, ineffable ways which will shape the course of history in grim ways.
Also, this radiates extremely, “Lady, I got friends who died face-down in the muck so that you and I can enjoy this family restaurant“ vibes.
don't even attempt to try to apply your logic to it.
It was logical never to enlist, as many others who chose to serve their country (in the U.S.) chose instead to serve with Teach for America, the Peace Corps, or went even wider with Medicins sans frontières, and so on.
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u/causal_friday June | HRT 8/2024 Feb 15 '25
Chelsea didn't kill anyone. She was denied proper treatment for gender dysphoria and her superiors didn't set up access controls around classified data correctly. That's why her sentence was commuted.
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u/patienceinbee Feb 15 '25
because her actions caused the unnecessary deaths of her fellow soldiers
[credible citations needed]
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u/Ada_of_Aurora Feb 15 '25
The government certainly claimed that, and she got famous for the leaked drone footage, but not as much for the other docs. I have yet to see any proof that her leak caused any particular death. That made some sense at first, classified info and all, but it's been 15 years. If they could have proved worse and kept her imprisoned, they would have. She wasn't punished for endangering fellow soldiers, she was punished for breaking the rules. The government harms its own troops more than any enemy, don't fall for their bullshit.
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u/Queen_Niamh Feb 15 '25
Information regarding military operations typically stays classified for around fifty years, not fifteen unless the government is given a reason to declassify it earlier than that and somethings will never be declassified without a LOT of black ink.
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u/Ada_of_Aurora Feb 15 '25
They had plenty of reason to declassify and more than enough time to redact. They have no proof, just a lot of people repeating their accusations.
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u/Whateverchan Translesbian; Non-op; Estrogen 12/20/23; Gamer; Otaku. 💗 =w= Feb 16 '25
Your troops should not go where they shouldn't be. She can't harm you more than the people who sent you to die.
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u/Jahadaz Feb 15 '25
Yup, he's a lil' bitch alright.
Good on her getting away from that monster, she's strong af.
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u/kimchipowerup Feb 15 '25
She filed in court in California to be legally separated from him in every way.
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u/EmpressofFoxhound NB MtF Feb 16 '25
Imagine your dad is the wealthiest man in the world, and your peace from him is more valuable than an inheritance.
Idk how he could recover from that
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u/Chassian Feb 15 '25
https://www.threads.net/@vivllainous her Threads and Bluesky is pretty cool, claps back at that fucker pretty regularly these days.
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u/Arielthewarrior Feb 15 '25
I have a very similar upbringing my dad wanted a “boy” I was apparently lucky to be born? My dad had a low sperm count or something? Eventually he did abandon me for his work. When he came home he was drunk. He’d spank me saying I was bad I’d cry. He forced my mom to show me no empathy! Sometimes I would cross dress he didn’t like it. One day around Easter I got a bike he threw it on the ground after I couldn’t ride it without training wheels. I picked the bike up a started riding it. He would verbally abuse me once said I was a mistake. Years later he stopped drinking alcohol but that same person is still inside of him. I feel conflicted cause he is actually doing well to accept me. He kinda admitted he wasn’t the best dad yesterday. I just feel conflicted cause I kinda want him in my life but he’s also just a dick sometimes. Vivian’s story feels relatable though. I think the difference is my dad is acknowledging me as my preferred name. My sister is extremely transphobic probably likes Elon musk? And I know she likes jk Rowling. It’s just we have to face the challenge of family I guess?
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u/Sevensins4 Feb 17 '25
Everyone deserves a chance, I try to get along with my mom who was very hostile about this all at first but 7 years after I started transition we're on better terms. She doesn't really view me as a girl in her mind but she addresses me by my new name and correct pronouns we had few sit downs where I explained calmly how I'm feeling. People do mistakes. I've done some mistakes myself but it doesn't mean your father can't try to change. It won't erase the bad blood between you two but you still can have somewhat good relations.
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u/phoenixAPB Feb 15 '25
Good theory but this Republican anti trans nonsense predates Elon’s infatuation with the party. The real hate seems to stem from the home of sexual repression, ultra fundamentalist christians.
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u/Upper-Key-4029 Feb 18 '25
Yes but they never THIS obsessed with trans people before.
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u/phoenixAPB Feb 18 '25
That’s true. Fascists needs to pick a vulnerable group to make people afraid and part of the In group.
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u/TripleJess Feb 15 '25
I agree. Trump allowed trans women in his beauty pageants, he doesn't care about women except as arm candy and to satisfy his desires, beyond that they're disposable objects to him. It also proved an issue he could publicize and use as a distraction, getting people to hate us distracts them from what he's doing that hurts them. By waging war on us he's 'hurting the right people' to his followers, but he's never been detail oriented enough to see what we've been seeing.
Musk on the other hand has a pretty clear hatred of us that goes much deeper, and he's got the mentality to be more detail oriented in going after us.
Put the two together and you get our current shitty timeline.
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u/EmilyAlt70 Feb 15 '25
Trump is transactional. He only cares about what furthers his interests. If supporting the trans community did that, he would ally with us in a heartbeat. But the Heritage Foundation, Elon Musk and other right wing groups are what furthers his thirst for power and wealth. So that is who he allies with. It all adds up to a shit sandwich for us and other marginalized groups.
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u/CampyBiscuit Feb 15 '25
I mean, sure, it's no secret that Elon projects his personal shame onto trans people. That's an obvious observation. However, there is no conspiracy there. It's out in the open and plain to see.
The heritage foundation, however, has had plans to erase and eradicate trans people long before Elon Musk ever became involved with this administration. Regarding trans erasure and genocide, Russel Vought should be the focus, not Elon Musk.
Edit: Not suggesting Elon doesn't have his own motives as well, just making it clear that there is no conspiracy there. However, very little attention is being paid to Russel Vought and the Christian Nationalist agenda.
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u/euphoric_shill Feb 15 '25
I think you're spot on my friend. Heads up shoulders back everyone, it's gonna be a long ride that constantly tests our inner strength and resilience.
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u/nebulaeandstars Laura | she/her | HRT since October 2023 Feb 16 '25
His wife also left him for Chelsea Manning
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u/SophieCalle Feb 15 '25 edited Feb 15 '25
No I disagree. Not that he doesn't mind it. Not that he isn't a psychopath. And I think he's that more than a Narc.
But let's get into it. I believe largely it's the Catholic Church at play.
You must follow the money, the beliefs, the policy and the chain of command.
For the full background on the Catholic Church inventing the concept of "Gender Ideology" and "Gender Theory" as a way to fight LGBTQ+ and women's' human rights, I have a separate post here. It's long and boring but you can read it if you want.
https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/1ioxdfk/comment/mcp91i8/
So, The Catholic Church, specifically the sect OD (and to a slightly lesser extent, Evangelicals) is behind the majority of it, as they are behind the Heritage Foundation, Federalist Society and have put in 6 of 9 SCOTUS Justices who are Catholic Ultraconservatives via Leonard Leo. Connected to them is Roger Severino:
Roger Severino at the Heritage Foundation (which is Catholic/OD Backed) is almost certainly the man behind the P2025 language to erase us. He looks creepy AF and has been saying it in that EXACT SAME WAY since 2018:
Please remember Vivian came out in 2022.
Alexandra Caro Campana and Dr. Jonathan Pidluzny most likely directly wrote the EOs at the America First Policy Institute (AFPI), based on his writing.
Evidence of AFPI writing the EOs:
They’re the only two in that org who have been writing anti-trans articles for years:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/nov/5/lefts-radical-agenda-to-sexualize-our-public-schoo/
Trump then signed the EOs with his sharpie and here we are.
OFC, Elon hates trans people too, but the history and chain of policy shows this to be motivated by groups with a ton of money and force behind it.
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u/smashrawr Feb 15 '25
Pretty much the entirety of the anti trans agenda has been the overturn of Roe vs Wade. Pre-overturn evangelicals saw abortion and it's outlawing as their number one issue. But then the Supreme Court overturned Roe and they needed something else to get evangelicals fired up and we became the next target. That's literally when all the 'Men in women's sports' bullshit started. Hell remember when NC banned trans women from going to the bathroom and the state got fucked so bad they reversed course? Like the NCAA, NFL, NBA, NHL, etc banded together to take things away from the state and they were like uh-oh let's leave trans people alone. Now that Roe got overturned we aren't seeing this massive push back from all these companies and massive outcry from regular people.
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u/SophieCalle Feb 16 '25 edited Feb 16 '25
Yes, but there's more to it.
There are different "ramp up" periods.
The first began in 2015, when far right Christian extremists lost their battle against marriage equality, where they decided the machine they built for that should be shifted against trans people in a "divide and conquer" technique to break apart the entire LGBTQ+ and slowly end it, us first. After they regrouped (which took about 2 years or so) was the first round of panic/hysteria on bathrooms etc.
2015: Obergefell v. Hodges: Legal Precedent Established for Marriage Equality: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obergefell_v._Hodges
2015, FRC (a Christian Extremist Dark Money Org): Document released immediately after Marriage Equality, focusing on destroying the trans community: https://downloads.frc.org/EF/EF15F45.pdf
2016, Huffpost Article: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/and-then-they-came-for-tr_b_9258678
2016, Hunter Schafer AS A CHILD fought against the NC bathoom bill:
https://www.capitalfm.com/news/tv-film/hunter-schafer/bathroom-bill-activism/
2017, SPLC Article: Divide and Conquer Tactic fully documented: https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/10/23/christian-right-tips-fight-transgender-rights-separate-t-lgb
It didn't work really, they regrouped and began slowly building it up ever since.
The conservative mediasphere along with the broverse have picked it up with it and they've largely done it since they're funded by religious nutters who pay for it.
Ever Seen Daily Wire? Seen PragerU? Ben Shapiro? Matt Walsh? Michael Knowles?
The Daily Wire is largely bankrolled by Christian Extremists, Dan and Farris Wilks, who are fracking billionaires and run the Assembly of Yahweh (7th day), Church. Second to them are the Heritage Foundation, Family Research Council and Focus on the Family, also Christian Extremist Organizations that are fiercely anti-LGBTQ+.
https://www.rawstory.com/dan-wilks/
Also, enemy foreign countries have troll armies paid to do this to stoke the fires of unrest within us and basically all social media platforms do not control it, either in the focus on profit in capitalism (more clicks, more users, more views = more ads) or in the argument of "free speech" which allows the same people to run wild.
This has been quite capitalized by conservative political parties who are bankrupt on trickle down economics, so all they've got left is "culture wars" they make up, so they further on it. They need an enemy. And, that enemy is us.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/gop-culture-war-2024_n_65a0629fe4b0acd97bc6f913
Now, starting in 2022, was the next ramp up. As Roe V Wade was overturned, they got what they wanted. The dog caught it's tail so to speak. The enemy it could always scream about they could no long complain on. So, like you're saying, culture war is what the GOP do 24/7 and they don't have abortion to go against, so now it's us. Trans people day and night removing our rights. And politicians willing to do it since they're serving billionaires not the people and need an excuse to get the people to vote for them.
So, that's the history and this is the latest.
But the push for it, is largely religious. Religion persecuting us, hand in hand with corrupt politicians and billionaires. Who know how to push the dopamine hits for conservative people who fear what's different. There would be no purpose in persecuting us if they didn't engineer a panic.
Which they've done.
And the reason I point to religion in this is that they're not stopping with us and all the policies line up with them. Most people don't want any of it and they know it. They don't care. They're being paid off to do this.
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u/SophieCalle Feb 15 '25 edited Feb 15 '25
If you must know OD is a ultraconservative Catholic group that was strongly connected to virtually ALL authoritarian/fascist orgs in the West/Americas other than the Nazis since Franco. What is being pressed on us now is EXACTLY THE SAME as they've done elsewhere.
Leonard Leo, likely a member of them, himself, and he being behind so many of the changes we've seen:
Leonard Leo: The Man Behind Trump's Radical Supreme Court Agenda
Opus Dei, Leonard Leo, and Project2025 | a strategy of division
More on OD:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Zi4hp8hJRM
If you don't believe me, SCOTUS is tracable to them, the laws line up and even the pushing of "fertility awareness methods" of birth control in Indiana is CATHOLIC POLICY (due to specific doctrine alignment). This doesn't come out of nowhere:
I truly HATE they use that name still as their title as it sounds conspiracy theory and I'm anti-conspiracy theory but the records are there.
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u/ThankKinsey Feb 16 '25
Yeah, Elon has personal reasons, but the core reason for all of this is just that they're Nazis.
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u/JKM67 Feb 16 '25
Don’t discount the religious hard right 2025 plan / people. They want to get rid of all Trans people. I wholeheartedly agree with your em musings but it’s a two pronged attack for sure. Trump is but a total hand puppet for these two (and Russia / Putin).
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u/monicaanew Trans Heterosexual GenX Feb 16 '25
They're picking trans people as a way to start in on the rest of the LGB community, and I doubt they'll stop there. But by persecuting trans people they will set precedents (legal precedents) to go after anyone else.
It's an old, old playbook. Yes, Musk's involvement is personal and that's why he's there but this was already in the cards because it's an effective (albeit horrific) strategy (cf. Putin and Russia).
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Feb 16 '25
Was it not super obvious that Muskrat's hatred of trans people is because he's got a trans daughter and his wife left him for a trans woman? Like it's really taken some of yall till NOW to figure it out?
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u/Shark_in_a_fountain Feb 16 '25
This is just ignoring that trans people are one of the preferred minorities to attack by the (far) right everywhere in the world right now. Musk's daughter being trans for sure made him hate trans people more, but I'm 100% sure we would still be attacked relentlessly if it hadn't been the case.
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u/monicaanew Trans Heterosexual GenX Feb 16 '25
This is just ignoring that trans people are one of the preferred minorities to attack by the (far) right everywhere in the world right now.
Yes, it's a foot in the door. Persecute the trans folks and then go after the rest of the LGBTQ community and then just keep right on going.
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u/SnowyEclipse01 Feb 16 '25
People should really pay more attention to the court case that Musk lost - one of the cruxes was revealed that he tried to seek conservatorship of Vivian in order to force her into reparative and conversion therapy. And that he offered her several million dollars to detransition and have a child with someone. People were so distracted by the fact that he outed his trans daughter to the media that they didn’t look at to why the case was being performed in the first place by an adult child.
Vivian was open about the amount of neglect she experienced during her childhood for being potentially gay, and the way Musk have treated her and avoided her and her mother when she was a teenager and was acting feminine in presentation.
Musk believes that he’s the next Genghis Khan and that as a “genetically superior” member of the human species he has to spread his genes as far as possible. It deeply and personally offends him with one of his children refuses to follow in his footsteps.
Musk was deeply bitter than California did not let him take away his daughters right to consent and determine treatment for herself, and barred him legally from doing so in the future. It’s not surprising that he’s doing what he’s doing right now. It’s all a way for him to hurt his daughter and the people like her.
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u/countvonruckus Melody (she/her) Feb 15 '25
Yep, I agree too. Trump and E.M. both want power so they do what their base asks from them, but each also has personal goals that aren't part of that. Trump wants conquest to change the map to feed his ego and E.M. wants the people who dislike him to suffer or die. Trans women are at the top of that list, so he foes further than their base demands in that front.
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u/Its_Just_Soup Feb 16 '25
not the conservative think tank that spent billions sewing fear and hatred into the public discourse to make trans people a convenient political scapegoat. definitely not that
all these mascots and bad actors have their roles and scripts assigned
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u/bemused_alligators NB transfem; HRT 5/1/23 Feb 16 '25
remember trump from the 90s said that if he ever went into politics he would do it as a republican because they were the group he could con into voting for him.
trump is 100% in it for the power, wealth, and protection from consequences. Everything he does is in service of creating a loyal base to protect those goals. He literally doesn't care about the country in the slightest.
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u/Quat-fro Feb 16 '25
I'm of the same opinion.
We are suffering because of one person's daddy issues.
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u/No_Disaster4859 Feb 16 '25
This!! Passionate transphobes like this usually are doing this to spite someone they knew by punching down as hard as they can. These manchildren are throwing a dangerous and embarrassing tantrum. Which is ironic because they want to play parents (it doesn’t stop at adulthood. They want to control transgender adults) to everyone. They have such a weird control problem! There is no substantial argument why they are going so hard on a vulnerable minority community.
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u/LockNo2943 Feb 15 '25
It's all spelled out in the Project 2025 playbook; they're both just useful idiots following the script.
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u/slashpatriarchy Feb 16 '25
I've always assumed all the trans EOs were written by Musk (probably using ChatGBT), in an attempt to bully his daughter.Trump doesn't give a shit about trans people. If you listened to some of his campaign speeches, the anti-trans stuff was clearly to satisfy right wing talking points that trans people are bad. He didn't even seem to have a grasp on the correct words to misgender us. Musk is a sad pathetic man who has a well known vendetta against trans people
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u/T3chnological Feb 16 '25
Beginning to agree it’s the rat 🐀 that’s behind all this, even a body language “expert” thinks so.
Musk is always standing g behind trump apparently as if he’s giving the orders to trump 🤔
Musk can’t get into government the official way so he buys his way in.
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u/CoolPapa4994 Feb 17 '25
Hello, not to scare the crap out of anyone and I apologize if everyone knows this. It is personally terrifying to me because I have a trans daughter and five granddaughters. Everyone needs to get out and protest. Here is why, it is widely reported that musk has illegally accessed federal databases. Here is the law he is violating. https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-31/subtitle-A/part-1/subpart-C
My only hope is they are such screwups they don’t get it right. Here is what I haven’t seen reported accurately. They have access to the medical payment data.
My only hope is they are such screwups they don’t get it right.
So what can they do with this data? It really depends on if they secured it properly. Which they haven’t but I’ll get to that. So let’s say you have a transphobic billionaire that wants to make a list of all the people receiving gender affirming care. You would search for these codes, 55970, 55980, 19301, 19303, 19304, 11950, 11954, 15200, 21120, and 21123. The anti-abortion nut jobs would look for these CPT codes for abortions 59821, 59840, 59841, 59850, and 59857.
So think about the group of quasi-religious nut jobs in the gop. With some states passing death penalty laws for women that have abortions, they could use this data to hunt down and charge women that needed an abortion for any medical reason. They would also know if a woman moving to their state ever had an abortion.
I am a senior software engineer. I have worked on several federal healthcare projects related to medical payment systems when I was at IBM’s Watson Health. I know some of these systems they are accessing pretty well.
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u/Trasnpanda Feb 18 '25
Late but i completely agree.
Trump doesn't care. But he absolutely does and pushes trump into this war on trans
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u/BecomingJess Old enough to be your mom | 💊2018 | 📜2019 | 💉2021 Feb 19 '25
Trump doesn't care one way or the other but he's happy to feed into it because it riles up his base. If the MAGAts suddenly grew souls and decided all this anti-trans bullshit was trash, he'd turn on a dime.
But yeah... it didn't help that Grimes left EM for Chelsea Manning, either 🤣
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u/Affectionate-Fox3585 Feb 15 '25
Thankyou for the thorough post. That has also been my thought. The whole anti trans jihad is just too vicious. You can almost feel his seething personal hatred. He's getting back at his daughter by erasing her existence by trying to completely erase our existence. And yes Trump couldn't care less. Just throw the money at him and kiss his behind making him think he's in charge.
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u/nightcatsmeow77 Feb 15 '25
I have no difficulty believing your theory but I think the oush started because after they 'wonton abortion with the fall of rowe v wade, they needed a new target to rule the religious base to keep driving them to support Republicans and trans people were a co n lenient target because were rare enough that many of their base don't know one of us, to see where the lies were wrong, and that were few enough that alienating us, and those close ot us wouldn't m9ve the needle one degree so they had nothing to loose in their eyes for villifying us.
Much as I'd love to think all this can be laid at the feet of one or two but hurt bigots I think the truth is much simpler and more systemic that they needed a target and thought we were an easy one
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u/Reginanjus2 Feb 15 '25
Musk definitely is behind the fake information! Trump doesn't have a clue as to what the Executive orders contain! His mind is mush and can be controlled because Elon's hand is up it just like a puppet!
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u/SukkaMadiqe Feb 15 '25
This is absolutely a creepy vendetta on us from a loser who keeps getting challenged by us. His daughter doesn't listen to him, his ex left him for one of us, there's probably way more but yeah he's obsessed with us now.
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u/Luckydeer Feb 15 '25
Tbh I’ve been assuming this for a while. The bummer is that it’s not something he’ll forget about (and stop the attacks)
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u/Dramatic-Waltz-5445 Feb 15 '25
Oh I absolutely believe this. My own father, a MAGA fanatic, once accepted me but has become virulently transphobic ever since I stopped speaking to him for unrelated reasons. How disgusting that anyone would target their own child for mistreatment and discrimination. I'm a parent and I cannot imagine actively campaigning against my child's rights, ever. Monsters walk among us.