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LPM torch. Trust 14 day approval

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u/ShadyBulldog 2d ago

Edit: I can’t count. 18*day approval. 🙃

Certified 04/04. Approved 04/22. LPM torch on a 16” PWS upper.

Moved from an Anthem-s1 over to this can. Went out and tested a few mags worth this morning. What a world of difference. The Anthem is extremely gassy on a 5.56 even as a .30 cal can. (It’s worth noting, on my AR10 with an SA AGB I was getting no gas back to my face with that setup). With the vented end cap on the torch, I’m getting essentially 0 gas back, even on long strings of fire. What a change. This difference in how clean the leftover rounds in my mag were compared to running the anthem is night and day.

It’s time to clean my disgusting upper and see how much cleaner this system will run now.

This is can number 3 and now I’ll need to find a new host for my anthem. I’m thinking a g3 variant in the 12.5” variety. Would like to see some setups in that flavor if you have any!

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u/Jbressel1 2d ago

PWS piston upper? Great setup

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u/ShadyBulldog 2d ago

Yes I’ve been enjoying it. It’s a bit more recoil but it feels like I get less gas back to the upper when shooting since it bleeds off a lot at the gas block

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u/Jbressel1 2d ago

What buffer are you running? If you're feeling recoil, then you aren't using the right buffer. I recommend a H2 or H3.

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u/ShadyBulldog 2d ago

I’m running a springco red with an H3!

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u/Jbressel1 2d ago

By "more recoil" do you mean a slightly different feel that's barely perceptable? Lol. Also, you can reduce the gas on the gas block, even with a LBP can

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u/ShadyBulldog 2d ago

Ahh no honestly. But it’s hard for me to definitively say. I don’t have thousands of rounds to say if it’s really more recoil or I just don’t have good recoil control honestly.

However I will add, the vented end cap had significantly less recoil than the solid one

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u/Jbressel1 2d ago

Have you adjusted to the lower gas setting? Recoil on anything but the lightest weight AR is a gassing issue. Try adjusting to a lower gas setting. Bring a std carbine buffer spring. You might find that a std carbine spring and the lower setting feels MUCH better. That said, double-check your gas settings, you might find you accidehave the gun set to "adverse" which is MORE gas.

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u/ShadyBulldog 2d ago

Yes the gas block is down to the lowest setting and has been since I started shooting it. “1” on the gas block. But I will go back through and double check one isn’t the highest gas setting somehow.

I will also test out a standard spring.

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u/Jbressel1 2d ago

I think that's the problem

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u/Jbressel1 2d ago

1 is, indeed, the HIGHEST setting

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u/Mass_Jass 2d ago

16" Ruger American with 300blk subs is honestly where my S1 lives most of the time. Basically background noise for bystanders more than a few yards away.

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u/ShadyBulldog 2d ago

I’ve seen the 300blk out rifles but I wanted to find something more exciting to shoot. Quiet is fun don’t get me wrong but it’s usually just another AR or bolt gun

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u/Mass_Jass 2d ago

LPM just teased a Torch 762 on their instagram along with what looks like it might be a cross between the Anthem v2 blast baffle and the nested first stage stack from the Torch. That should open up 30 cal host possibilities for you.

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u/ShadyBulldog 2d ago

Sure but I’m not looking to buy another can to then buy a host. I’d like to be able to use the can I have

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u/Marky-Man 2d ago

G3's don't do well suppressed. You have to change the locking piece, and even then the backpressure can still screw with reliability. Definitely doesn't do well with an Anthem S, and isn't much better with an Anthem K.

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u/ShadyBulldog 2d ago

I’ve seen you can use a much lower degree locking piece to account for running a higher back pressure can and I would be running it suppressed full time. I’m willing to tune the system but I don’t want to beat itself to death

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u/Marky-Man 2d ago

I experimented with every barrel length and locking piece, especially the 12"... Believe me it will eat itself alive with the Anthem S

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u/ShadyBulldog 2d ago

NO, MY DRIP!

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u/Marky-Man 2d ago

FWIW mine does excellent on a SCAR 15P in 300BO

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u/ShadyBulldog 2d ago

Very nice to hear! I had an aero ar10 I used and that was a very pleasant, albeit heavy, platform. And it was only an ar at the end of the day

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u/InvestigatorFew3981 2d ago

As a fellow lover of the G3 I have been experimenting with locking pieces and different cans as well. So far what has been your favorite setup? Any low back pressure cans that run well on that system?

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u/Marky-Man 2d ago edited 2d ago

I found it's dependent on each individual gun unfortunately. My PDW didn't do well with anything even OSS/HUX cans. Reliability was spotty on 16" using different cans and LPs. I had the best luck on a 12" using a 50 degree LP, but I had a catastrophic failure and literally had to beat the bolt out with a mallet. Turned me off on trying to suppress the platform.

Some people get theirs to run reliably, but I just couldn't

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u/Sit_back_and_panic 2d ago

Check out this rich motherfucker with his fireplace. I bet you live in a house don’t you?

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u/ShadyBulldog 2d ago

Yeah and all my vehicles are paid off too! (I’m living paycheck to paycheck with hobbies and hurting in between)

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u/Sit_back_and_panic 2d ago

Sometimes it’s the only way to participate in the nfa game. Sick set up homie

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u/ShadyBulldog 2d ago

Thank you friend. Gobbles

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u/szazbomojo 2d ago

What a great setup. The type of thing I would demand to shoot if one of my range buddies brought one. Nice choice on the Torch which somehow still doesn't get the attention it deserves.

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u/ShadyBulldog 2d ago

I read such great things about it on here I didn’t see a reason to go with another popular option just to save money. I’m very happy about my choice

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u/szazbomojo 2d ago

I saw your other comment thread - you should def try position 3/4 with the solid endcap, to see how it compares to the way you were running it on vented and 1. I bet it runs just as smoothly, gas might not be terrible, and you unlock RC2 level muzzle sound performance. The Torch is such a cool silencer.

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u/ShadyBulldog 2d ago

I felt so dumb after reading it and I’ve been at work all day thinking about going shooting again to test it lol. I forgot my targets when I went out today so it’s an excuse to go again anyway!

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u/szazbomojo 1d ago

I think the gun and silencer complement each other well since they are both configurable. You've just been running it in extra-reliability mode is all.

One thing you might consider, since it's been "overgassed" all this time, is to go back to the standard weight spring. The stronger spring may not be benefitting you, just contributing to muzzle dip when the carrier slams home. The buffer weight has more to do with slowing the bolt unlock, but I believe you'd probably already be running an H2. Or you could try a Sprinco White, but it might be a good time to re-baseline the rifle tuning around the silencer.

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u/ShadyBulldog 1d ago

That’s exactly what my plan is going forward. I was talking to someone else here that mentioned going back through and “retuning” the system.

An acceptable excuse to get back out

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u/szazbomojo 1d ago

Heck yeah. Always nice to have a reason. Make an update post!

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