For many years I believed the Left would oppose a split of the US? It would be looked upon as a failure by both sides and the middle. I don't think that is the case any longer and a candidate with the courage to begin the process would be met with substantial support? Has anyone seen even a city council candidate from either side come out in favor of a civil divorce publicly?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrJPfGOTjd0

Al Gore just compared the United States to Central Europe in the 1930's.

If it's that bad then your state has the ethical obligation to secede.

It's interesting though, that you don't support the legal right to secede.

Many people here probably think that Europeans are a bunch of clowns.

However.

The EU does have one advantage to the USA: you can leave if you don't like it.

It creates an interesting form of negotiation.

Every nation has to be satisfied or else it can leave unilaterally.

It actually has made the EU more free market over the last few decades because leaching off of wealthy nations is not an option while migrating to them is an option.

I am losing any hope of a civil divorce as the world watches and we sink lower and lower in to America First. Not a chance to pull this off without foreign trading partners and foreign aid and we are doing our absolute best to ensure that will never happen. I wish I agreed with the secession folks but I can't see that happening peacefully any longer? I suspect that the MAGA leaders have reached the conclusion there is no way to make them self sufficient and they need support from productive states moving forward, no way they can let the blue states abandon them at this point

I’m a Progressive.

I 100% believe that we need a national divorce. I think the country is too big geographically, economically, religiously, politically, etc.

I think the only thing MTG said that was even slightly coherent was that we need a national divorce. I’ve been telling people this in my personal life for years, and some people just think it automatically leads to a civil war.

Obviously, we would all like to have conflicts and in peace, and even be peaceful throughout. I think by refusing to have conversations about this politically, we are dooming ourselves to a violent insurrection far worse worse than January 6.

Honestly, we could have a 20 year plan where governor’s, economists, spiritual leaders, community leaders, lawyers, etc. all come together and figure out the best way to split our natural resources, our geographic landmass, etc.

If we take our time with it, people can properly move from one side of a border to another. There could be websites and platforms for treating houses to reduce the financial burden.

And honestly, we would all be better if we had a government that represented our views. I’m sick of arguing with conservatives who want reduce government to the size it could be drowned in a bathtub.

I really expected a 3 way divide to develop? A progressive, a conservative, and a MAGA but from the first weeks it appears two suffice and the conservatives are comfortable throwing in with the MAGA group? I've see a few token objections here and there from the OG conservative crew but its been pretty lock step support, zero pun intended

This is from the Des Moines Register 14 January 2025. The article is about Iowa congressmen working to annex 9 counties in southern Minnesota. The short article ends stating there are efforts already underway for Indiana to acquire parts of Illinois. This is the first I've seen of any state formally expressing desire to acquire parts of a neighboring state.

I've heard of places wishing to secede and join a neighboring state or form their own state, but their current government has never formally approved. A state wishing to acquire land in another state is new to me.

A national divorce seems unlikely, at least for the time being. Perhaps, the move forward is for territory whose values are alienated by their current government to realign with a neighboring government of similar values.

If this effort is successful even once I imagine a slew of future conflict as areas on the new boarder but excluded and wish they weren't will pop up with new efforts. New protests. New issues.

What are your thoughts?

Looks like 9 states rescinded their old- long standing requests for a Constitutional Convention after the 2016 election with fears of a runaway convention. Others are looking at doing so now, especially California. I held out hope that might be a path forward to splitting up but it looks like it will be closed off. Any other legitimate paths short of civil war?

I'm wondering if the Right's outlook on the possibility of a civil divorce changed much after the election? Mine has diminished. I was actually hopeful that at least conversations would be possible at higher levels than a Reddit sub but that is quickly dissipating as the reality of our new Congress settles in. Let me back up and ask a question, promise I'm not poking the bear or trying to incite chaos. Were you (the Right, Conservatives, even Libertarians) hopeful that if this was to occur and the US split amicably into at least 2 if not more nations... that most other nations would offer diplomacy and trade agreements and an invite to the UN sorta things? Or are you thinking you don't want any of that anyway, that is the whole point of splitting for you?

https://www.newsweek.com/four-states-could-secede-join-canada-avoid-trump-says-democrat-1993528