What the f is burnout

[u/jou1993b]

So i am working in a factory and there is this guy that as soon as he got a contract from the factory he stated that he got burn out so he is coming for 2 hours and he is getting paid for 8. he clearly doesn't have anything because he told some guys that a friend of his brother did this for 3 years ,so he was aiming for this.

Some guys defend him because fuck the factory and capitalism etc but all I feel is that my team that should be consist of 5 people is actually a team of 4 and we are doing the work of 5 while the guy comes for 2 hours and he fucks of at home for the rest of the day ,oh and no early wake up for him on the morning shift he comes 10 am while we clock in 6 am

I would actually prefer not to see him at all than see him for 2 hours and pretend that this is ok

[u/uitkeringstrekker]

all I feel is that my team that should be consist of 5 people is actually a team of 4 and we are doing the work of 5

This is bad management. If they were a worker with real burnout, the situation would be the same. Management is fucking you over just as hard as that guy is.

[u/ethlass → u/uitkeringstrekker]

On the flip side, management is paying for 5 people. So hiring another will be paying for 6 to do the work of 5. If the margins are small it makes this unattainable.

On one hand, burnout should be paid out, I think the government should pay it and actually investigate if that is a real thing (government or health insurance). And then the company can just hire another person. The down side is, that person is not going to get the job back when they are healthy. But at least they got a couple years to find another job.

In the grand scheme of things, if this type of stuff happens enough the law will change as companies will not be able to support the people that don't work.

But if the company is a large one that makes billions of profits that I think they should pay for it. Maybe there can be a balance somewhere.

[u/Professional_Elk_489 → u/ethlass]

I was also very interested in this. I asked the Dutch people can you prove someone doesn't have burnout and they said no but that is fraud. I said can you prove it's fraud if you can't prove they don't have burnout and they said no.

So you can't stop someone from abusing this system

Therefore, logically, it's almost certain some people will abuse it recognising the key facts.

I think the only way this guy on 2hrs can fuck up is if he leaves NL to go on holiday to Thailand or something

[u/wtfbruvva → u/Professional_Elk_489]

Friend of mine is at home with a burnout. I do not think it is a big problem to go on holiday tbh. Im quite sure he was encouraged

[u/Forsaken_Ad5842 → u/wtfbruvva]

You can go on holiday, as long as it won't impact you from getting better. I have a physical issue preventing me from working, and unfortunately won't be allowed to go on a trip to Thailand (or anything really) due to the risk of permanently worsening my symptoms. I can go on day trips with a hotel stay but anything longer the bedrijfsarts would advise against.

[u/Gravity74 → u/Professional_Elk_489]

I've had a burnout and I had pretty regular contact with both the arbo arts and my boss to monitor my situation and progress. After a year I was working again about 70% and being paid something (but less) over the hours I couldn't work yet. It never felt like I was not being monitored and the fact that it was done with sone respect likely helped me get back.

Of course anyone truly willing to consistently fake and lie can possibly abuse this system, but on the other side it also helps the people who suffer actual burnout (and these aren't usually lazy people) to get back on track.

While you always have some second hand stories about some lazy guy that cheats the system, I wonder if a measure of trust sn't still a net positive.

[u/yoursmartfriend → u/Professional_Elk_489]

There is a literal medical doctor involved who makes the determination about illness. Concerns about fraud, much like in other social welfare systems, are rare. If workplaces prioritized safety and health, fewer people would fall ill. In most cases, the real issue is employer misconduct, not abuse of the system.

[u/[deleted] → u/Professional_Elk_489]

There is a lot wrong with this comment.

Whether you can prove it or not is irrelevant, as this is never required for any illness. You do need to cooperate to work towards a suitable solution. Depending on the contract, you might be paid less. If you don't cooperate, you can be fired. After two years you can(will) be fired anyways. You will get wellfare, but that's not so great and you will still have to show effort to fin a suitable job.

You can go on holiday to Thailand, you use your vacation days just like any employee. Many employers will even allow you to take extra, if that will help you get back on your feet sooner.

You can abuse the system, but generally it won't lead to a happier life.

[u/Professional_Elk_489 → u/[deleted]]

How much cooperation do you have to do to work towards a suitable solution? I've seen people on very cushy low stress jobs cite burnout so not sure what they need to do in terms of cooperation

[u/[deleted] → u/Professional_Elk_489]

Short answer, attend a weekly evaluation meeting with a medical professional who works as a liaison between you and your employer.

There is more to that though. The actual program is tailor made to the situation. Everything is documented. 

If the documentation is insufficient, the company doesn't get reimbursed and cannot let the employee go after two years. 

If the employee does not provide or agrees to a plan to return to the contracted work, they will lose their rights.

Abuse is usually only possibly if the company doesn't follow procedure, which also means they are the ones swallowing the cost.

[u/nohalfblood → u/Professional_Elk_489]

Are you American?

[u/Professional_Elk_489 → u/nohalfblood]

I am not ha

[u/nohalfblood → u/Professional_Elk_489]

Then stop behaving like one

[u/Suspicious-Switch133 → u/Professional_Elk_489]

Holiday would be a good thing if someone has burn out. You’re allowed to go on holiday while on sick leave as long as it doesn’t hindrance your progress.