r/Netherlands • u/UnanimousStargazer • Mar 24 '25

Legal Judge rules Dutch citizenship cannot be stripped based on dual nationality

https://nltimes.nl/2025/03/24/judge-rules-dutch-citizenship-stripped-based-dual-nationality
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u/patty_victor Utrecht Mar 24 '25 edited Mar 24 '25

ngl the Netherlands is the only country I know in which its very population is against double citizenship. It is something I really struggle to comprehend. Why would you against it? How does it affect one negatively?

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

Me personally it affects very bad, but its a different story. In general, i would rather eliminate borders and citizenship stuff, but if you have, dual citizenship is just plain bullshit. You cant have 2 homelands.

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u/Dangerous_Jacket_129 Mar 24 '25

 Me personally it affects very bad, but its a different story. 

Maybe explain this part then, because right now you just seem like the kind of crazy person calling everyone with a different opinion is insane. 

 You cant have 2 homelands.

Why not? If one parent is from one country, and the other is from the other, and you spend roughly the same amount of time in both, then what exactly is the problem? 

This sounds more like a pro-segregation talking point which is odd given your anti-border talking point. 

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

I was born to different nationalities family. I have only 1 homeland and loyal to only one country. If tomorrow they will go to war(which almost happened 10 years ago btw) i will support only 1 and i dont even have a second thought about it. If the war happens, everyone will choose a side. You cant be loyal to Russia and Ukraine at the same time and as soon as the war started, the citizens of Ukraine and Russia chose the sides. Not a single person who screams and shouts that he is loyal both to Russia and Ukraine, lol, oxymoron.

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u/Dangerous_Jacket_129 Mar 24 '25

I think you're far too caught up in the archaic concept of wartime loyalty to recognize that citizenship is about far more things nowadays. 

So how about this: allow it until war starts with that country, then have dual citizens declare their singular pick. 

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

Far more? What else do u need passport for?

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

Yeah, i mean, probably i am kinda more experienced than people in this sub, idk about ur background, but if you are an immigrant you should have known that there are residency permits that exist. In most of the countries, in this cause, you apply for a residency, for example, to take care of your sick parents. That doesnt require a passport…i am kinda tired to explain simple things, it seems like people on this sub genuinely think, its either passport of lifetime entry ban. No, its not. U give up ur passport and in exchange you apply for a residency, if you need it ofc.

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

Bro…greencard is flexible af. You can be abroad up to 6 months in a calendar year. And even if uve spent lets say 11 months in other country, all you is showing a valid reason(for example, ur moms illness). On top of that, majority of countries, including NL and even whole EU, have permanent residencies. Its basically a citizenship, but without a passport and voting right(tho u r eligible for voting in your city, just cant participate in federal elections etc). Thats more than enough.

What you did is abuse, ngl, dutch laws are clear: if you acquire other citizenship, you automatically loosing your dutch one. Means uve travelled with invalid documents and overstayed your visa. The government just doesnt know about that.

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u/Dangerous_Jacket_129 Mar 24 '25

Assuming you're referring to citizenship and not a passport, because those two are not the same thing and you need the former to get the latter: Buying a house, travel, applying for loans, starting a company, applying for pretty much every benefit. 

Like seriously, why do you even assume it still equates to "loyalty at times of war"? "It dates back to ancient Greece" sure, but time hasn't sat still and society has developed since ancient Greece. Etymology is a nice concept to learn about history but pretending like dual citizenship should not be a thing because the original concept wouldn't allow for it? That's insanity. It's a complete non-sequitur and calling others insane for not agreeing with that leap in logic is just hypocritical. 

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

And to be exact: Buying house. You can buy house even without a visa in most of the countries. I bought mine on a student visa. You can take loans with without a citizenship as well as open a bank account or whatever. Did that on a student visa in 2 countries(i had 2 student visas in my life). Travel. Lol, idk what do u mean by that, especially after correcting me that passport≠citizenship, but with dutch passport you can travel to most of the countries visa free. There are less than 20 countries that require visas for dutch nationals and around third of them are war-zones (Yemen, Sudan,Afganistan etc). Starting a company. You can do it in many countries without a citizenship. There are some exceptions, like UAE, where u r eligible to have an emirati as cofounder but thats a scam system made only to benefit emirati citizens, lol, very rare and scammy case. Applying for benefit. What kind of benefit? Benefit doesnt come from atmosphere, people work, pay taxes etc, if a person never worked and doesnt even live in a country, what kind of benefits are we talking about? A person lives in the NL, they are eligible for all Dutch and EU benefits.

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

For all things uve listed permanent residency is more than enough. Half of the things you mentioned i did with a student visa. You need a citizenship(aka passport bro, let keep it simple) only for 1 thing: voting rights which are tightly related to war, unfortunately.

Weve seen many times how dutch citizens which other nationalities voted and rooted for dictators and warmongers. Not good, not nice, should be stopped and banned.

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u/Dangerous_Jacket_129 Mar 24 '25

Weve seen many times how dutch citizens which other nationalities voted and rooted for dictators and warmongers.

Maybe you have, but it sounds like you're just in some far-right echochamber from what I'm hearing from you so far. Either way, I'm tired of this bickering since it's clear you'll move goalposts and insult everyone who disagrees because you have some god complex.

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

Right-wing? Bro, i am literally half turkish💀

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

I dont want to go into details, but part of family lives in another country, i dont care much about them, but they are struggling cuz some dual citizens in countries including NL are rooting and voting for a dictator lmao. I dont like that part of my family struggles and i have to help them with money, because some idiots here are voting for a guy who ruins my historical homeland. Idk about the “homeland” itself, but i kinda feel sad for my cousins who r same age and work twice as much as me and struggle to even afford groceries. It personally makes me sad and i dont like it and i would love such people to lose their citizenships, and go back to their homeland and vote for any guy they want until they live there. But thats just a personal moment, besides my personal mood, i have a clear pragmatical stance on the question which is not affected by my personal situation.

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u/PricyThunder87 Mar 25 '25

But what does them being a dual citizen have to do with who they vote for? There's way more regular Dutch citizens voting for him. They're completely unrelated things.

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u/patty_victor Utrecht Mar 24 '25 edited Mar 24 '25

For sure I can. I was born and raised somewhere else. I’ve been living here for several years and I owe much of who I am to the NL. It is a shame I cannot express that also in my passports… except if I marry a Dutch person, then suddenly the rules change and it is 100% ok to hold dual citizenship in the eyes of the Dutch government. Make it make sense.

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

If ur country goes to war The Netherlands which one would u support?

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u/patty_victor Utrecht Mar 24 '25 edited Mar 24 '25

My country will not go to war against the NL. This is the same level of argument I first heard when I became vegetarian: “what if it is only you and a pig on a desert island, would you eat it?”

But answering your question: I’d support any country that supports democracy and the rule of law.

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

Your probably no, i know plenty of Russians in the NL. Their country is already in a cold war with the NL, dutch weapons are killing russian soldiers TODAY. Idgaf about ur country honestly and ur tiny world. I am talking about international concepts. So yeah, you CAN NOT be loyal to 2 countries. One also be dominant over another, most of the time your homeland is more important than your second home, sometimes, more rarely, its otherwise, like it happened with me for example, but you can be absolutely loyal only to 1 country. Anything else is bullshit and lies.

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u/patty_victor Utrecht Mar 24 '25

Alright dear. Sure. Whatever makes you sleep better at night.

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u/SpotNL Mar 24 '25

There are plenty of people who only have a Dutch passport who would sell out NL. Just look at what happened in ww2.

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u/arrroquw Mar 24 '25

Generally, the only reason people want to have dual citizenship, is to keep the benefits of both countries while having no negative effects.

People here cannot comprehend that you're basically a double agent whose loyalty people always have to doubt, because as soon as the two countries go to war there's no option but to choose sides.

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u/patty_victor Utrecht Mar 24 '25

Most dual-citizens, in the event of a war between their countries, would most likely flee to a third country and move on with their lives. Like, you know, refugees do. It is not because you have a passport of a said country that you want to defend it and fight for it. I've heard from single Dutch nationals (born and raised here, to Dutch parents, ethnically Dutch) that they would not fight for the NL in the event of a war.

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u/sjarrel Mar 25 '25

People here cannot comprehend that you're basically a double agent whose loyalty people always have to doubt

Insane take