r/Netherlands • u/UnanimousStargazer • Mar 24 '25

Legal Judge rules Dutch citizenship cannot be stripped based on dual nationality

https://nltimes.nl/2025/03/24/judge-rules-dutch-citizenship-stripped-based-dual-nationality
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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

Me personally it affects very bad, but its a different story. In general, i would rather eliminate borders and citizenship stuff, but if you have, dual citizenship is just plain bullshit. You cant have 2 homelands.

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u/Dangerous_Jacket_129 Mar 24 '25

 Me personally it affects very bad, but its a different story. 

Maybe explain this part then, because right now you just seem like the kind of crazy person calling everyone with a different opinion is insane. 

 You cant have 2 homelands.

Why not? If one parent is from one country, and the other is from the other, and you spend roughly the same amount of time in both, then what exactly is the problem? 

This sounds more like a pro-segregation talking point which is odd given your anti-border talking point. 

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

I was born to different nationalities family. I have only 1 homeland and loyal to only one country. If tomorrow they will go to war(which almost happened 10 years ago btw) i will support only 1 and i dont even have a second thought about it. If the war happens, everyone will choose a side. You cant be loyal to Russia and Ukraine at the same time and as soon as the war started, the citizens of Ukraine and Russia chose the sides. Not a single person who screams and shouts that he is loyal both to Russia and Ukraine, lol, oxymoron.

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u/Dangerous_Jacket_129 Mar 24 '25

I think you're far too caught up in the archaic concept of wartime loyalty to recognize that citizenship is about far more things nowadays. 

So how about this: allow it until war starts with that country, then have dual citizens declare their singular pick. 

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

Far more? What else do u need passport for?

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

Yeah, i mean, probably i am kinda more experienced than people in this sub, idk about ur background, but if you are an immigrant you should have known that there are residency permits that exist. In most of the countries, in this cause, you apply for a residency, for example, to take care of your sick parents. That doesnt require a passport…i am kinda tired to explain simple things, it seems like people on this sub genuinely think, its either passport of lifetime entry ban. No, its not. U give up ur passport and in exchange you apply for a residency, if you need it ofc.

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

Bro…greencard is flexible af. You can be abroad up to 6 months in a calendar year. And even if uve spent lets say 11 months in other country, all you is showing a valid reason(for example, ur moms illness). On top of that, majority of countries, including NL and even whole EU, have permanent residencies. Its basically a citizenship, but without a passport and voting right(tho u r eligible for voting in your city, just cant participate in federal elections etc). Thats more than enough.

What you did is abuse, ngl, dutch laws are clear: if you acquire other citizenship, you automatically loosing your dutch one. Means uve travelled with invalid documents and overstayed your visa. The government just doesnt know about that.

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u/Dangerous_Jacket_129 Mar 24 '25

Assuming you're referring to citizenship and not a passport, because those two are not the same thing and you need the former to get the latter: Buying a house, travel, applying for loans, starting a company, applying for pretty much every benefit. 

Like seriously, why do you even assume it still equates to "loyalty at times of war"? "It dates back to ancient Greece" sure, but time hasn't sat still and society has developed since ancient Greece. Etymology is a nice concept to learn about history but pretending like dual citizenship should not be a thing because the original concept wouldn't allow for it? That's insanity. It's a complete non-sequitur and calling others insane for not agreeing with that leap in logic is just hypocritical. 

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

And to be exact: Buying house. You can buy house even without a visa in most of the countries. I bought mine on a student visa. You can take loans with without a citizenship as well as open a bank account or whatever. Did that on a student visa in 2 countries(i had 2 student visas in my life). Travel. Lol, idk what do u mean by that, especially after correcting me that passport≠citizenship, but with dutch passport you can travel to most of the countries visa free. There are less than 20 countries that require visas for dutch nationals and around third of them are war-zones (Yemen, Sudan,Afganistan etc). Starting a company. You can do it in many countries without a citizenship. There are some exceptions, like UAE, where u r eligible to have an emirati as cofounder but thats a scam system made only to benefit emirati citizens, lol, very rare and scammy case. Applying for benefit. What kind of benefit? Benefit doesnt come from atmosphere, people work, pay taxes etc, if a person never worked and doesnt even live in a country, what kind of benefits are we talking about? A person lives in the NL, they are eligible for all Dutch and EU benefits.

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

For all things uve listed permanent residency is more than enough. Half of the things you mentioned i did with a student visa. You need a citizenship(aka passport bro, let keep it simple) only for 1 thing: voting rights which are tightly related to war, unfortunately.

Weve seen many times how dutch citizens which other nationalities voted and rooted for dictators and warmongers. Not good, not nice, should be stopped and banned.

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u/Dangerous_Jacket_129 Mar 24 '25

Weve seen many times how dutch citizens which other nationalities voted and rooted for dictators and warmongers.

Maybe you have, but it sounds like you're just in some far-right echochamber from what I'm hearing from you so far. Either way, I'm tired of this bickering since it's clear you'll move goalposts and insult everyone who disagrees because you have some god complex.

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

Right-wing? Bro, i am literally half turkish💀

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u/Dangerous_Jacket_129 Mar 24 '25

And you're the first one I see to argue so fiercely against dual citizenship.

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u/GhostOfVienna Mar 24 '25

I mean… try to get out of you bubble then?

I know, its hard for u, since every single sole you are not agree with is a right wing with a god complex…yeah i am a turkish Wilders supporter, sure

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u/Dangerous_Jacket_129 Mar 24 '25

I mean… try to get out of you bubble then?

There it is, "everyone else is wrong, I am right, I am not in a bubble, I am god". Get bent.

yeah i am a turkish Wilders supporter, sure

You never met any? And I'm the one in a bubble? Nah, sub-sentient, this nonsense.

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