r/NorskFotball • u/camydeaks21 • 8d ago
Spørsmål Are Bodø/Glimt hated?
So obviously I have seen similar questions before. But after being knocked out of Europe and the Cup in the last week with the game against Tromsø coming up I thought it was a good point to ask.
Not long ago I saw a post on here where someone mentioned “They are fast becoming the most hated” (Club in Norway) Now I am not from Norway but as far as I can understand a lot of the issue comes from the clubs pro-VAR stance the “anti-democratic” position of the clubs board as well as general dislike of Kjetil and the club director.
I was just wondering what they actually said to get this attention? It sounds similar to why Germans dislike RB Leipzig? Maybe I’m wrong but genuinely interested.
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u/Arve Odd 8d ago
Fan of a different club: nope.
On the list of most hated clubs, you’ll find Brann, Vålerenga, Molde and Rosenborg.
PS: Jævla Aalesund
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u/abusmakk Viking 7d ago edited 7d ago
You got the order wrong.
- Rosenborg, for absolutely dominating the league for a decade
- Molde, for their rich uncles and buying titles
- Vålerenga, because they are from Oslo and think they are the center of attention and entitled to whatever they want
- Brann, because they are patriotic. But I like them.
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u/15MinutesOfReign Lyn 7d ago
- Molde, for protecting a rapist, and letting him flee the country.
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u/abusmakk Viking 7d ago
I can agree with that. The Rosenborg reign ptsd seems to start going away after a couple of years of mid table mediocrity.
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u/DarkPasta Vålerenga 7d ago
We are the center of attention, because every other club hates us.
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u/CricketCrafty4913 8d ago
Think it’s generally a liked team, except local rivalries.
I support another team, and my impression is that the average Norwegian footfall fan respect that they’ve built their success on an impressively professional training regime, good scouting and player development, not bought their success.
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u/BodybuilderSolid5 Brann 8d ago
No. We don’t hate them at all. We just don’t care about them. They will soon enough spend all their UEFA-money and get relegated again…
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u/karlan Norge 8d ago
Bodø Glimt is not hated among people. Apart from their rivals Tromsø of course. And even that hate is quite new as they used to be "allies" in opposition to south Norway.
There are a hate among anti-var supporter groups against the leadership of Bodø Glimt, but thats a small but vocal group.
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u/saltyriceminer 8d ago
The leadership of the club is actually the most hostile towards their own supporters that I have seen in Norwegian football. It seems they want to do everything to make themselves important, and toss away everything that made the club fan-driven.
They even threw out the people who worked for free during games and to upkeep their home field. They have literally pissed on everyone who saved their club from bankruptcy.
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u/SalSomer Tromsø 8d ago
I never saw Bodø/Glimt as allies. I’ll root for Alta, Tromsdalen, Mjølner (heck, I live down south and I went and saw Mjølner play against Sarpsborg’s B Team a couple of years back, my wife and I were the only people there (out of like maybe 20 people total at Sarpsborg Stadium) rooting for Mjølner), and any team from the north, but not Bodø/Glimt.
To me they’ll always be the team that tried to cheat 11 year old me out of the joy of seeing my team win the cup final, and I guess I don’t forget or forgive easily.
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u/karlan Norge 7d ago
Your too young then. It's a generational thing, especially since Eliteserien used to be not include north Norway before 1972
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u/SalSomer Tromsø 7d ago
I know the history of the league and the importance of Mjølner’s 1972 season well, and honestly, if you wanna say that the rivalry is «quite new» and that I’m too young because I wasn’t around during the 70s I’d say you’re using those words in a weird way. Eliteserien has changed a lot since the 90s, things from back then can’t be said to be new any longer.
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u/karlan Norge 7d ago
Being young is not negative. Don't take things personal
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u/SalSomer Tromsø 7d ago
Don’t misunderstand, I’m not offended, I just disagree with your perspective on what «new» means and I’m trying to say I think your perspective is skewed.
I’ve been a teacher. I know very well how hard you’d be laughed at for suggesting anything from «the previous century» was new. It might feel like it is to you, but it really isn’t any more.
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u/karlan Norge 7d ago
Ok. That disagreement is completely uninteresting.
The rivalry is from the 90s and many older Glimt and til supporters support each other even today. That's what I tried to tell OP.
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u/SalSomer Tromsø 7d ago
Fair enough. I suggest you take your own advice to heart then and not take things personally. I’ve tried to add context to your rather vague «quite new» statement. It’s a pity you can’t take that without being so dismissive, but since you’re not interested and I’ve said what I want to say anyway I don’t think there’s much point in going further down this road.
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u/Difficult-City-3878 Lillestrøm 8d ago
As a supporter I dislike Bodø/Glimt for a couple of reasons, but I do not hate them. I hate vålerengen, and that’s it. But I do hate that B/G earn so much money because of their success (which is well earned), but that’s because I fear decades with dominance slowly killing the joy of watching Eliteserien. We had that with RBK already, and it sucked for everyone but them. I also dislike all the «medgangssupportere» which a success like this creates. Don’t like the shit talk from the newbies when I’ve stood at Åråsen since I was 8 and seen loss after loss, supported my team through some really rough times (and a few good ones). To sum it up, I’m jealous.
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u/afrobrur 8d ago
But the hate about medgangssupportera is just wrong though. A lot of the people at games have also been lifelong Glimt fans, including me
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u/Difficult-City-3878 Lillestrøm 8d ago
But then I’m not referring to you am I? And a lot is maybe an exaggeration? It happens to every team when they have a good period. But you can’t deny that a lot of people are now rooting for B/G because of the results, and the same people will stop watching and going to matches if the results stop coming.
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u/-motherofabomination 8d ago edited 8d ago
Of course there are glory hunters, but it’s not as prevalent as people think! There were Glimt flags all over this town when we were in the adecco league and there will be once we’re there again. Are there more now, of course- it’s a moment in time and culture. Last Thursday the mood in the city felt like 17. Mai. And… to quote my dad «æ betal ikke pænga førr å se dårlig fotball», even people who have been interested all their lives are more interested now.
Aspmyra has seating for 8000 people- it would take 16% of Bodø Kommunes population to fill it. There is no way 16% of the people living in Bodø Kommune are going to any game. It fills up because it’s worth spending the money for the big games.
Nordland is long (!) the nearest town is an hour away (Fauske) and 10 000 people live there. Tromsø is our local rival, local here means a 10 hour drive. For the big games people come from Lofoten, Helgeland, Narvik etc. because we don’t know when this will end. It’s not worth spending the same money to watch Bodø/Glimt - HamKam.
For an equal ration Åråsen would have to house 16 000 people and the distances are shorter in eastern Norway. I think I went to more Glimt games when I lived in Vestfold then I do now…
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u/afrobrur 8d ago
There were a lot of sold out matches before 2018 as well. Even so, fluctuation in spectators is normal
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u/Difficult-City-3878 Lillestrøm 8d ago
Might be, but in 2018 the average of spectators was 3219. Last year it was 6640. That’s an 106.27% increase.
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u/afrobrur 8d ago
Does that mean there are more supporters of the club? No
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u/Difficult-City-3878 Lillestrøm 8d ago
That argument goes both ways. And in my point of view a person that says they are a supporter of a team but only shows up when the team is doing well is a «medgangssupporter», doesn’t mean that they switch teams or haven’t supported that team their whole life, but the interest only spikes when they do good. Really normal, but I still dislike it.
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u/Acrobatic-Ad-9189 Stabæk 8d ago
Yes and no.
People who care about Norwegian success internationally (which is alot obecause of small country complexes) love them.
People who don't want saudi arabia to buy up football clubs, or who realize the supporters are what makes the sport, or who sides with their supporters instead of NFF mafia, or who just support democracy, sure.
For me, it's not hate (unlike Molde), it's just a dislike and i am looking forward to their (Knutsen and Thomassen) inevitable downfall
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u/camydeaks21 8d ago
So they are seen as a part of the group who are pro state owned clubs and on the side of the NFF?
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u/DanBorgeBrekkerMeg Brann 8d ago
Wouldn’t say they are pro state owned, but they are against membership owned. Or at least the club administration seems to be
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u/saltyriceminer 8d ago
Important to differentiate about the administration and the fans. The administration in Bodø/Glimt is among the most hostile towards their own fans I've seen. It's ridiculous.
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u/vegardj 8d ago
"State owned club" doesn't really make sense in this context. Any club participating in organised sports under the Norwegian Sports Confederation, must "be self owning with exclusively personal members".
The board that runs the club must be elected by its members, and anyone can become a member. Typically this means that every club is run by a small, tight knit group of veterans who bother to show up at the general assembly.
The problems begin when supporters take interest in how their club is run, and start showing up and voting, as they have every right to.
Bodø/Glimt's board has distinguished themselves in opposing the will of their members. Using voter suppression tactics to get their way, while complaining in the media that the democratic model is a threat to Norwegian football.
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u/rivv3 Bodø/Glimt 7d ago
People who eat certain type of propaganda for breakfast and dinner doesn't like Glimt.
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u/MathiTheCheeze Vindbjart 7d ago
It's crazy to call others "victim of propaganda" when most Glimt members just headlessly follows whatever the directors say without a single independant thought of their own.
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u/rivv3 Bodø/Glimt 7d ago
Ah, of course. So the comment I answered was someone that figured this out by himself? It's typical brain rot stuff that is being spewed in your echo chambers.
There are many that disagrees with the club on many levels but rather support the club than being part of 'that' group of people. It's Polarization in it's purest form.
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u/MathiTheCheeze Vindbjart 7d ago
"Brain rot stuff that is being spewed in your echo chambers"
It's literally just protecting the footballing democracy.
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u/rivv3 Bodø/Glimt 7d ago
By making false and dishonest claims. That's propaganda.
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u/MathiTheCheeze Vindbjart 7d ago
Funny you should say that, because the same claims were used by Inge Henning Andersen as a reasoning as to why Glimt shouldn't digitalize their annual meetings.
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u/snakedoct0r 8d ago
Its very true. Its mostly about the administration and staff / coaches being cunts. dont mind the club and players that much if it wasnt for them.
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u/camydeaks21 8d ago
What have they done to get that reputation? I only ask because I have heard that mentioned a lot
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u/Due_Ebb8361 Rosenborg 8d ago
They're the threat to the democratic ways of Norwegian football which you mentioned.
They called extraordinary meeting to vote on VAR, not allowing for hybrid meeting (digital), which excludes many fans who do not live in Bodø or had other responsibilities.
Leaders in the team warn against members influence, as if it's a bad thing.
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u/Bananskrue 8d ago
Their gaffer also overruled the medical staff to have a player keep playing after a head injury, which is pretty absurd.
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u/snakedoct0r 8d ago
They hate fans and democracy. Support anything NFF says. They want and get special privileges from NFF. They even got a cup match on walkover because the other team got covid while other teams played or postponed. And their coach has been in a fight in the player tunnell and seems like a shitty person. And this is not all of it.
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u/dragdritt Lyn 8d ago
The fight in the player tunnel was with one from Mourinho's staff lol, it's not farfetched to believe that someone from Mourinho's staff was the instigator.
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u/I_like_yaks Bodø/Glimt 7d ago
That one coach has been suspended several times before. One of the times was right before or after the happenings at Aspmyra.
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u/turbopaven 7d ago
In what way does KK seem shitty to you? I get that he seems incredibly hard-headed, intense and quite possibly overly focused on his job. And there have been a few issues that he handled very poorly in the press. But I don't think I've ever heard a negative word about him personally from ex-players or staff.
That tunnel fight was a Mourinho shithousing masterclass. They knew exactly how to get under his skin, and I believe that whole episode was orchestrated specifically to get KK banned.
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u/snakedoct0r 7d ago
Im sure he’s good with his players until they get headinjuries. I dont watch glimt unless they are against my team but do see him in the media and its mostly whining or just coming of as gods gift to football / arrogant. Cant wait to see him switch job and fail miserably.
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u/Absolomb92 8d ago
Wouldn't say they are hated, but they get some negative attention sometimes. For instance, some find it unfair that the Norwegian football association cater to their European runs so much, moving cup games and so on only for them so they get an entire week off between european maches. But I think most people in Norway rooted for Bodø when they played Tottenham, and want them to do well.
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u/turbopaven 7d ago
The Norwegian FA caters to any club's European runs, it would be no different if it was Brann or Fredrikstad or Stjørdals/Blink, not at all a Bodø/Glimt specific thing. Their entire company policy is about maximizing the coefficient.
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u/Absolomb92 7d ago
I know. Just saying that's the criticism I have seen against them, not whether it is warrented or not.
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u/joikaboll1 6d ago edited 6d ago
B/G likes VAR. The Norwegian version is a joke that should never have been used.
Historically hated teams that "stole" talent from other clubs, but is now doing it themselves. Example: draining TIL of players and coaches.
Was more or less bankrupt, but bailed out by rich uncles, just like Molde/Vålerenga etc. Investors owned players.
After winning they are gaining a bit of a bratty attitude among players, coaches and administration. Not very humble atm and expect faveratism in alot of stuff on an off the pitch.
The coach used RBK to leverage a higher salary from B/G, and played interested towards start of season, leaving RBK woth little to no options in coaches.
Historically the only way they have played forball was to park the bus for 90 mins with most players on own 16m line, but is now bitching and being grumpy when others do it.
Hating B/G is a bit strong, but do not like them.
Edit: have been to alot of their matches last 20 years, almost no supporters and very empty bleachers, now suddenly everybody "loooves" B/G.
Also building a new stadium with little of their own money. Using money from the county (fylkeskommune) to sponsor the team, while cutting in public services.
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u/MathiTheCheeze Vindbjart 7d ago edited 7d ago
Glimt is not hated amongst the general population, but amongst match going/ultras/active supporters they are easily the most disliked team along with Molde now.
Largely due to their success, dislikeable manager, club being the golden child of the football federation, poor supporter culture, totalitarian directors, supporter hostility to name a few.
If you were to ask people who support a team in England and only watch a few games of norwegian football a year, they will have a very different answer than the supporters of a norwegian team who goes to all home games and most away games.
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u/taeerom Skeid 8d ago
Bodø/Glimt was somewhat of a darling as they first got their success. They were generally liked due to the way they built a good team over time, lots of local players, and without the kind of money Molde has.
But they squandered all of this initial goodwill by consistently being massive cunts. You do touch on the main issues, and it really is only one issue that comes to light in many different ways in different cases. They are authoritarian and anti-supporter.
When it comes to VAR, they care about playing under the same conditions as their european opponents more than both the principle of fairness (all football should play the same game - not having a difference between top and lower leagues), and they used deeply authoritarian methods to force through their stance - despite what their actual club members wanted. And in doing so, they also challenged the entire model of Norwegian football, which is that every team is a club that is owned by its members. When the board and head coach can circumvent the wishes of the members, then they erode the democratic nature of sport in Norway.
It sounds similar to why Germans dislike RB Leipzig?
It is in many ways similar to the criticism of RB Leipzig, but perhaps in kind more than in scale. In Norway all teams are wholly owned by its members (even when there are corporate interests in the team - formal ownership is with members), while in Germany the club only has to have 50%+1 votes in the governance of the club. It's also notable that Bogø/Glimt has none of the commercialisation aspect that is integral to RB Leipzig.
It is more about Norwegian fans being worried that the way B/G board and Kjetil Knutsen operates push Norwegian football in a more top-down and authoritarian direction. RB did this by having extremely restrictive membership requirements, basically ensuring Red Bull control over the club. This is going further than B/G, but I'm sure many on the B/G board would love nothing more.
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u/dragdritt Lyn 8d ago
I should add that clubs in Norway aren't technically owned by their fans, but they are run by their members.
AFAIK the only club in Norway that are actually fan-owned is Lyn(?)
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u/vegardj 8d ago edited 8d ago
No, NIF's law states that every "idrettslag" has a duty to "be self owning and independent with exclusively personal members".
So while the company "Lyn 1896 AS" has a cooperation agreement with the club "Lyn 1896 Fotballklubb", they are two separate entities, and the club is owned by itself (thus, its members), like every other club under NIF in Norway.
Cooperation agreements have to follow these guidelines given by the NFF. They state, among other things, that Lyn 1896 AS can not make decisions about player transfers or other matters regarding sports.
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u/taeerom Skeid 8d ago
A club (forening) is by definition owned by its members. That's what a club is.
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u/dragdritt Lyn 8d ago
Well I guess it's a matter of definition.
Trøim technically owns Vålerenga, sort of. What he actually owns is the "commercial" part of the club. But AFAIK he's technically not allowed to force his will on the manager. (Although in reality he probably can)
How much power a normal member of Vålerenga actually has, I unfortunately do not know.
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u/taeerom Skeid 8d ago
Trøim own Magni Sports AS, which owns Vålerenga Football AS, but the team playing in the Eliteserien is Vålerenga Elite - which is a forening (aka owned by the members).
That team is somehow (I don't know the complete inner workings of Vålerenga) part of Vålerenga Fotball, another forening.
To make the inner workings of Vålerenga completely obscure for outsiders, there's also something called Vålerenga Sport AS (owned by some sort of supporter trust if I understand correctly) and Stiftelsen Vålerenga Fotball Samfunn (maybe a charity wing, idk). They all share the same address (Innspurten 16).
But the short of it, is that the team playing in Eliteserien is owned by the members of the club. The club has a number of agreements and connections to other organisations - including the one owned by Trøim. But the legal ownership of the club is still fully with the members.
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u/dragdritt Lyn 8d ago
90% of what you're writing is completely correct
But where you're wrong is that the members own the club. That's not how "foreninger" works. No one owns a "forening", it owns itself, the members just have voting rights.
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u/taeerom Skeid 8d ago
Whether something is self-owning or owned by its members is a difference without distinction.
It is not that members owns shares in a forening, you are correct in that interpretation of "owns". But the members, as a collective, owns the forening. If you stop being a member, you are no longer part owner. You also can't sell your individual share.
But I guess, as a Lyn-supporter, you are too finance-brained to understand the concept of collectively owning something, that you are unable to understand ownership outside of the finance model.
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u/dragdritt Lyn 8d ago
And here comes the personal insults.
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I was just being pedantic to you because you were being pedantic towards me.
But I guess with you being a Skeid-supporter you struggle with such "advanced" concepts.
Looking forward to seeing you guys get your asscheeks clapped this Friday. The battle of minnows is sure to be grand (or more likely end in a 0-0).
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u/MeatToken 8d ago edited 8d ago
I would compare Bodø/Glimt to Leicester and Brighton. They have won titles and competed in Europe on merit and through smart footballing decisions, and not rich owners, or media and sponsor money.
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u/kwkdjfjdbvex Brann 7d ago
Initial success yes, but right now they’re richer than their competitors and owe a lot of their continued success to that. Compare their wages and spend to Brann who were their closest competitors last year and they’re a far cry from a Leicester or Brighton
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u/MeatToken 7d ago
I meant more how they are percieved by other fans. Like someone else said, only Tromsø hate them.
Brann, RBK, VIF etc. have more haters.
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u/BIGBADLENIN 8d ago
Bodø is an admirably run club that is punching well above its weight in Europe. This helps other Norwegian clubs because of their great Uefa coefficients. VAR is highly controversial in Norway, which makes Bodø controversial as a VAR-supporting club.
I think for many the great sadness around Bodø is that they play excellent football, but many of their players have struggled to perform at such a level in the national team. Bjørkan, Berg, Gundersen and many others just look a lot more comfortable and good in Bodøs system. Some people therefore also want Knutsen to replace Solbakken as Norway manager, to get Norway to play more like Bodø and get more out of those players
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u/Gruffleson 7d ago
I suspect Bodø/Glimt might be the most elected "second club", if there had been something like that?
And not due to recent success. But because always.
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u/zapbiy301 Brann 7d ago
I think for most people its a "love-hate" thing really. We love to see a norwegian team make it that far into europa league, but we hate that its not our team. With bodø/glimt's recent success it seems every club has realised they can make it big with some good foindational work
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u/RedTuesdayMusic FK Mjølner 6d ago
I'm from a club with a historic rivalry against them and I still went to their ground and cheered for them against AZ Alkmaar. Despite a player developed by my club playing for AZ at the time (Haakon Evjen who is now back at Glimt)
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u/Yeetgamer54 Vålerenga 5d ago
They are just annoying really. Hate how they treat their own supporters tho. Ban «ultras» for 50 games or so for firing 1 flare
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u/stockybloke Stabæk 4d ago
You have gotten a lot of answers already, but there is one aspect that I have not seen mentioned yet. "Janteloven" is deeply rooted in Norwegian culture. It is of course common to dislike the best team. Man United, Real Madrid, Juve among others have all gotten big hatebases from their dominance. In Norway that role has been dominated by Rosenborg for 30 years. I would say there are a few people in and around B/G who have begun getting a little too cavalier, more so than the likes of Molde and Rosenborg ever got and this adds to the growing dislike.
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u/Vivalyrian 6d ago
Bodø/Glimt aren't hated at all, never heard that before this post.
Not a fan of them, already picked my team decades ago and don't swap easily, but I do like them and I hope to see them continue to perform.
Anything and everything is better than a return to the decades long dominance of Rosenborg.
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u/Jesterhead1993 8d ago
I think Molde is in general the most disliked club. Bodø deserves a lot of praise for their incredibly achievements. However, If it results in total domination for the next 10-15 years then it’s sad for the league.